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ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
?2LMOE OF NORTH TARRXTOTO
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In the Matter of Complaint of 5
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X* M„ GRBLLER,

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Complainant,

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EVERGREEN JiAHOR, INC.,

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North T a r r y t o w a , 2-hX., February 14* 1955
BEFORE*
"EDWARD 3 . COMBINGS, Chairman,,

P a t r i o t J* Powere,.
V i l l a g e A t t o r h e y , Advisory

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Members of Zoning Board of A p p e a l s :
GEORGE N, L0PA80
NEIL GOLLOGLY
PAGE
iPPEAR^CES
AKGELO E. ZIHGARO, ESQ.

A t t o r n e y f o r Complainant
17 N o r t h 3road?/ay
T a r r y town, New York
JAMES H. SHIMBERG, ESQ.
•'•'Attorney f o r Respondent
&gt;/ 565 F i f t h . A v e n u e
**- Nev7 York, HevhXork

�JR. GliAAMGSi The meeting "will pieese come to o r d e r .

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The

.'neeting tonight i s a public hecring held by the Zoning Board of
/ p p e e l s for the Village of Worth Tarrytown on February 14, e i g h t
P.A,

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Municipal Building, 28 .deekman /.venue, with regard to the

following:

Complaint t h a t &amp; c e r t a i n s t r u c t u r e erected on Lot 18,

Block 7, Village of Worth Terrytov/n, does not comply with Section 3
of the Zoning Ordinance of the aforess-id v i l l a g e .

That notice

appeared in the paper on Januery 3 1 s t , end we have an a f f i d a v i t to
that effect.

The only other correspondence acre i s a l e t t e r of

comolaint v/hich 1 s h u l l read addressed to trie Chairman of the
Zoning Board of Appeals.
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Dear Sirs
1 hereby melee formal complaint a g a i n s t
the continuance of construction by Evergreen
£imovP I n c * , of s nev* dwelling house on
Lot 18, Block 7, Sleepy flollov; Xsnor, Korth
Tarrytown, Hew £ork„ This building being
constructed does not contain the minimum
cubic footege of over 2V&gt;,VA»U f e e t required
by the Zoning Ordinance, asamended, of the
Village of Worth Tarry town.
1 have caused s competent engineer to
make the necessary computetions o f . c u b i c
footage from the plans on f i l e , and such
engineer has computed ttt.fr t the building f e l l s
s h o r t by a t l e a s t 3,uuo cubic feet of the
s t a t u t o r y requirement. Such computations are
a v a i l a b l e for i n s p e c t i o n .

1, t h e r e f o r e , c a l l upon the Zoning Bo£rd
of Appeals to take the necessary action to
prevent tne f l a g r a n t v i o l a t i o n of the o r d i nance and to compel e i t n e r compliance &gt; i t h
the ordinance or tne cessation of construction.
Respectfully yours,
£v. 1. 2. Greiler.* 1
:5R. Z1NGAR0:
JH, COlLalRGS:

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Chairasn,—

One moment p i e e s e .

�MR* ZDlGAROs

I'm s o r r y ,

MR, COSiMBlGSi

Anybody addressing the meeting w i l l p l e a s e

i d e n t i f y themselves and a l s o s t a t s t h e i r connection with the case
so we may make a record of that*
H£L ZIMAROs
Mr* Groller*

Mr, Zingaro?

My name ir-&gt; Angelo Zingaro,

1 represent

Nov; t h i s i s a complaint "brought "by Mr* G r e l l e r who

l i v e s in Hemlock Drive in Sleepy Hollow Manor a g a i n s t the construct i o n of t h i s building on Evergreen Tfay by Evergreen Manor, Inc.
b e l i e v e t h a t they are t h e b u i l d e r s *

I

Moir the d i s t r i c t in i?hleh thin

b u i l d i n g i s being constructed i s in the Residence nAv' d i s t r i c t .
Pursuant t o Section 3 of the Zoning Ordinance* as amended, the t o t a l
number of cubic f e e t , exclusive of the volume of any c e l l a r , porch
breezew&amp;y, garage, and n o n - l i v a b l e a t t i c space, required in t h i s
b u i l d i n g i s 20 5 371 cubic f e e t .

That^s based upon the 85$ of a l l

t h e residences within a radius of A00 f e e t of t h i s p a r t i c u l a r
building-

The a c t u a l cubical c o n t e n t , however, of t h e building

which i s in p r o g r e s s , according to t h e plans f i l e d , i s 15,327 cubic
feeto

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t M s f i g u r e i s exclusive of the volume of t h a t portion

of t h i s building v/hieh t h e complainant here claims i s a c e l l a r , and
t h a t makes i t short by approximately 5,000 cubic f e e t in the e r e c t i o n of t h i s b u i l d i n g ,

Ko?/ s i n c e the Zoning Ordinance does not

d e f i n e what i s meant hy

R

eel.lar, K a check i n t o t3|e law was required;

and a thorough check Y/as made by me i n t o the lav?, and I have found
t h i s d e f i n i t i o n In t h e law defining

"cellar.R

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A c e l l a r in a dwelling i s an enclosed space
having more than one-half of i t s h e i g h t below
the c u r b - l e vn e l . A c e l l a r s h a l l n o t be counted
as a s t o r e *

x'his d e f i n i t i o n propounds another very i n t e r e s t i n g question., and
t h a t question i s , what i s the c u r b - l e v e l -

How c u r b - l e v e l i s a l s o

undefined in our Zoning Ordinance; and t h e r e f o r e a f u r t h e r check--

�had to be made in t h e law as to v/h&amp;t a curb~level was, and t h a t
cheek in the law produced t h i s d e f i n i t i o n , and I q u o t e ,
^ C u r b - l e v e l * i s the l e v e l of the curb a t
t h e center of the f r o n t of the b u i l d i n g }
where no curb e l e v a t i o n i s e s t a b l i s h e d * t h e
mean l e v e l of the land immediately adjacent
t o t h e building p r i o r to any excavation OP
f i l l s h a l l be considered t h e c u r b - l e v e l ,
u n l e s s otherwise fixed by t h e Code,"
Bow we claim t h a t under those circumstances the space behind tke
garage in t h i s b u i l d i n g has more than one-half of i t s h e i g h t b e lov? the c u r b - l e v e l -

Therefore, i t i s a c e l l a r and should not be

computed in c a l c u l a t i n g the cubic footage in t h i s b u i l d i n g .
Furthermore 5 t h e r e i s a provision in the Zoning Ordinance r e l a t i n g
t o r e a r yards .in Residence

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An d i s t r i c t s , end t h i s i s lmoY&amp; as

Paragraph (a) of Section 9, and t h a t paragraph reads as follows:
"REAR ..SARDS
"In any Residence B A n District, there shall
be a rear yard the full width of every lot*
at least five feet deep in the case of lots
.not more than 50 feet deep, and in the ease
of lots deeper than 50 feet, one foot shall
be added to the required depth of the rear
yard for each four feet hy Y/hich
the depth
of the lot exceeds 50 feet.R
Uow the average depth of this lot, as I understand it, is 140 feet,
therefore requiring a rear yard of 27i feet, I ask you gentlemen
to go up and take a look at ?/hat 1 call a monstrosity. $ov/~ in the
rear of this, what we call the rear yard, the embankment which es~
banfcment in some places rises to about 15 feet, and at the south
corner- of this particular lot this embankment is only tv-o feet
away from the building and runs about eight or nine feet to the
north*

The lot in the rear is shaped soMewhat like this* (indicating)

I have some photographs here which I will show you people«

Herefs

the ohotograoh of the rear lot which I am tallu.ng about. There is

t A*ss

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�the b u i l d i n g , and t h e r e i s the embankment which I am speaking of«
At the deepest p a r t in the r e a r the d i s t a n c e i s only 24 f e e t ; and
even a t the deepest p o i n t , which i s very short in comparison t o
t h e e n t i r e l o t , they are s t i l l short 3 j f e e t .

Mow t h i s a l s o i s

surely in v i o l a t i o n of the Zoning Ordinance,, and i t appears t o
t h e w r i t e r of t h i s b r i e f t h a t t h e r e has been a t o t a l d i s r e g a r d fey
t h e i r b u i l d e r s of the p r o v i s i o n s of t h e Zoning Ordinance and t h e
laws of t h i s s t a t e , and I r e s p e c t f u l l y submit t h a t t h i s b u i l d e r
should be required to redesign t h i s building and be made t o comply
with the laws and r e g u l a t i o n s a p p l i c a b l e t h e r e t o .

1 have some

o t h e r photographs here which I want t o present t o yoi2.

This w i l l

probably give you a b e t t e r p i c t u r e of the e n t i r e s i t u a t i o n *
Photos received and marked G T e l l e r ' s Exhibits 1 through 7»)
MR« SHIMBERGs

Mr, Chairman, my name i s James Shimberg*

I'm an a t t o r n e y representing Evergreen Manor, t h e b u i l d e r s of the
residence in q u e s t i o n .

Before I s t a r t I*d l i k e to f i l e t h i s b r i e f

with the board«
(Received and marked Evergreen Manor's Exhibit A.)
iffi. GimmmSi

Go ahead, dr.

Shiraberg.

MR, SIiIMBERG:

Although I b e l i e v e t h a t we w i l l be f u l l y

able to e s t a b l i s h t h a t t h i s b u i l d i n g as i t i s sho?rn on t h e p l a n s
which are on f i l e and as i t i s being constructed complies in every
way with the Zoning Ordinance of the V i l l a g e of fiorth Tarrytoi-m,
t h e r e a r e j u s t one or two preliminary remarks t h a t I ' d ' l i k e "to make
t o put on record.

As far as I know, t h i s complaint was n o t a com-

p l a i n t which was i n s t i t u t e d by any p u b l i c o f f i c i a l of the V i l l a g e
of North Tarry town, but r a t h e r t h i s hearing i s being held on t h e
complaint of a p r i v a t e c i t i z e n and taxpayer of t h e t i l l a g e of Itorth
Tarrytowa who presented t h i s complaint to the Board, and t h e Board

�as it had every right to do5 saw fit to hold
question-

a hearing on that

As a matter of fact, this is a situation wliich lias

occurred numerous tines in which the question lias been raised
whether a private citizen and a tascpayor of the vi3JLage in question and even a resident of the same zoning district whore the
alleged ^/iolation occur;sP whet hex* such a citizen has the right to
take it upon himself to institute proceedings to enforce zoning
ordinances * As a matter of fact; the question lias boon passoci
upon several times by the Court of Appeals of the State of Uev
York&gt; and although

it might appear to you and I as a matter of

fact that any public spirited citizen^ if he feels that a violation
of 3~aw exists, he certainly has the right to take wliatover appropriate action is necessary to terminate such a violation, the
Courts have been compelled to hold that to clothe

private citi-

zens with such rights might result in abusive zoning ordinances,
and tliat the zoning ordinances night bo used for purposes of
annoyance and oppression.

I just want to make a statoucnt to that

effect before we get to the merits of the case in questionITow the proposed residence here is being constructed by
Evergreen Manor as the builder for a Mr. and i-lrs- Thomas Morgan
of Hew Roehelie who somctiue in the latter part of October, 1954
entered into a contract with Evergreen Honor to construct this
house for them.

They themselves selected and approved the plans

and specifications, After the contract was signed, a copy of the
plans of the house prepared by a registered architect wore filed
with the building inspector of the Village of north *Iarrytown.
After tliat tine, more or less in an advisory capacity, I believe
that the building inspector of the Village of north Tarrytown submitted those plans to an architect retained by the oleeoy Hollow

�^aimyers T Association whose only real purpose, as it has boon explained to ne, is to check plans of tills sort to see whether or
not the proposed plans contain the required amount of cubic content so as to comply with Section 3 of tho Soning Ordinance

A

check such as that was made in this case, and I believe that the
copy of the plans which are on file with the building inspector
contained upon them the approval of such plans in the handwriting
of this particular architect signifying, I believe^ that

the

plans contained 20,650 cubic feet of livable space, which is more
than tho minimum required by the Soning Ordinance for this particiilar house. How based thereon a building permit was issued
by the Village of North Tarrytown.

In reliance on that building

permit Evergreen Manor proceeded with the construction of the
house- and I believe to date approximately £10«000. 1ms been ex,)

pended in the construction of that house*

Also in reliance on

the building perrait, the Title Guarantee and Trust Company gave
a building loan mortgage on the house, and they too as a matter of
fact have advanced substantial sums of money to date. How as far
as the actual question which 1 believe is presented here as to
whether tliat portion of this house which is designated on the plans
as a family room or bedroom, whether the area of this particular
room should be counted in computing the cube requirements. Uow,
as I understand it, tho reason behind the zoning ordinance
North Tarry town, which is the sane reason beliind the zoning

of
ordi-

nances of many other localities of this type, is tliat when they
require that there be a certain nininum amount of cubic content in
a house, which as a natter of fact in this case is determined by
computing the cubic content of houses within a radiixs of A00 feet

�of the house ano. then say you nasi; Iiavo §5$ of that* tho reason
for such a requirement in not that they're trying to control tho
cost of the Louse* hut thoy arc trying to control the outside
visual appearance of the house. In other words $ in an area whoro
yon have liouses of 30^ 40* 05Q5QOO* and above^ if ^ou prevent
houses containing very small cubic content being built, you will
keep the area up in appearance and in about the sane state as it
is now.

So that actually what 1 believe this ordinance is trying

to accomplish is to control that r&gt;or*tion of the house which is
visible*

As a matter of fact^ you could construct a so-called

cellar and you could go down, a hundred feet.
a hundred thousand

It could cost you

dollars and you could put 85 rooms in there.

That would not in anyway meet the requirements of tliis Soiling
Ordinance which I believe ea3.1s for a visual cubic content * How
as far as the definition of cellar is concerned which if you note
in the Zoning Ordinance, as Mr, Zingaro lias pointed out, a cellar
is specifically excluded when you compute tho cube of the house,
How the Building Code of Horth Tarrytown contains no definition of
a cellarj nor does the Zoning Ordinance, However;. the Zoning
Ordinance does iaake the statement tliat a cube sliali be determined
in accordance with accepted areliitoctural or engineering practice.
How the State Building Code of the State of Hew York* which is not
in effect in Horth Tarrytown., and the 1-Iultiple Dwelling Law of the
State of New York as-well as most handbooks put out by the American
Institute of Architects contain this

definition of a collar.

"That space of a building that is partly or
entirely below grade which lias noro than
half of its height measured froa floor to
ceiling below the average established curblevel or finished grade n of the ground
adjoining the building.

�How one of the things that creates a certain amount of difficulty
hero is the advent of the oo-calloJ. split-lovcl typo of house.
Most of us have the traditional cone opt of a house containing two
or &gt;naybo three stories with a collar bolow it which collar can
either he all or partially below grader

However, wliat happens in

a split—lwe3. house^ of which this is one,, is that what would,
ordinarily bo the firrt two floors of the house in offoot are nade
into three levels5 GO that when you walk in the front coo?: you go
down a short flight of

stops to get to this finished play room or

bedroom as it may be. If you go straight ahead., you are in the
kitchen or the living room.

If you walk up a short flight of stepsP

you have three or four whatever it nay bc^ bedrooms, on the upper
floors

How if we can accept for a moment this definition of a

cellar., which more or less is about the same definition that l-lrZingaro presented to you for a consideration., two tilings become
evident immediately*

In the first place*, the floor of this room

is actually throe feet above the curb-level. The floor is three
feet above the curb-level. That is one of the tests which is set
out in the definition as to whether

you liavo a cellar or you

don't have a cellar, The other test* and I think the more important test, is the question as to whether that space t m t is partly
or entirely below grade is more than half of the height of the
room measured from the floor to the ceiling.

How in this particu-(

lar case by actual measurement at no point, at no point in that
entire roosi is it more than 32$ below grade, and the average part
of that room* the average of that room is loss than 250 below grade,
how tills is a picture taken fron the front of the house winch I
think demonstrates that the house is above street level. This is
a picture which shows how that room looks after it wilJ. be
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�complete*?.-- Trmt picture is tsken .in an identical room in a house on
59 H^irdoev Drive in which the plans, as -far as that room are eoncerned^ are identical with these plans, This is also another view
of that seine house taken from tho outside of it, showing the outside appearance of that particular den or room.

And this last

picture is a picture of the actual house under consideration showing
the finished family room or den fruin the outside and showing that
there is a door in it v/hlch looks directly out onto the level of
the ground*

13ow taken

to any of these particular tests which we

have discussed and considering the actual measurements of the
rooms in question^ the actual amount of cube content \.hich it contain sP the fact that at least 63$ of the room at the sma!3.est
point is above the grade and at the average point more than 75%
of the room is above grade.. I really don't think that there could
bo much question that this particular -room can ]}.3 called a cellar*
$o?/ there is lust one more point that I*d like to raise*
It is extremely difficult, if not a little luifair,, to view o. building in the' course of construction and try to visualise how that
building will look at the time that it*s completed. $ow as a matter
of fact, in constructing any building you must change the grade or
contour of the lot upon which you are building it. Xou mi^ht go
out there today and look at this building r/hieh has all types of
mounds of earth around it and all the rest of it.

That is not .&amp;t

all the way it will look at the time that the building is finished.
As far as the point about the building in question violating that
provision of the Zoning Ordinance which provides for a r^ar yard,
by no stretch of the imagination is the grading of this particular
lot finished at the present time*

Nobody can £o out tnere and

�c^box^um t.'hothsr or rot thare lis a roar yard of rmfficient size
or not,. That oxa only bo dene at the time that the building is
finished ana th# grading and landscaping of the particular1 plot lei
finished-

It would be impossible 1 think fore this Board to go out

there and look at it and determine that at the present timeo Thfct'i
one of the reasons* as a matter of fact, why there Is s. distinction
between issuing a building permit and issuing a final certificate
of occupancy at the time the house io finished*

The building per-*

mit is issued strictly based upon the plans as they are filed which
assuming they comply with the sonlng ordinances and the building
code a building permit.is issued, Aft0:0 the house has been com*
pleted. before anyone can live in that house the building inspector
of the village must issue a certificate of occupancy. If at that
time when the building has been completely finished and it should
be determined that for some reason on another it violated the zoning
ordinances? then certainly that would he the pi?opes? remod^r at that
tine to refuse to issue a certificate of occupancy*

But as far as

the question e.s to whether it has a 3?3aft* yard or not5 I don!t think
in all fairness that that question could possibly be determined
while the house is in the course of construction*
SIR*

CUMINGSJ

MR, SHIMBER0S

jid

like to ask tt question*

Yes. sir*

MR* CTJ|.iI,!XSSS: In your layout theres have you provided
for an adequate rear yard?
MR* SHIMBERG:

I prefer-, EIr« Cummings, to have Mr* Lymont

who is the builder answer that Guestion, _if it*s all right with you*
sir-*
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MR« CUMIIINGS:

All

righto

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£B* LMOJITs

:lji T-vevgret a M^nor*
yes.

My name is Charles Lament*

I'm a builder

The enswer of that question is positively

Mr. Shimberg pointed, out so ahly^ I feel, that until sueh

time as weather permits and grading can be done? it would be impossible for an average person who is not trained along those
lines to visualise what is going to happen to that grade. But
1 positively know that the building m6. the vee/c yard will definitely complyj with all the zoning requirements.
MH, GUMMIHGSs

It could be determined with surveying

instruments though at the present time?
MR* LAMO$T: To some degree, yeSc

On the other hasd,

there are different methods of landscaping a site*
that

XIBB

The plot plan

submitted will show it, The foundation survey of the

plot plan will show it. We unfortunately slipped up on that. The
copy v?as left in the office^ but that can be presented at anytime o
MR.*LOPAKOs

What i s t h e d i s t a n c e from t h e f o u n d a t i o n

of t h e b u i l d i n g t o t h e r e a r p r o p e r t y l i n o ?
MR. MMOHTa

I t h i n k a couple of minutes of quick con&gt;*

p u t a t i o n w i l l g i v e i t t o me,
MR, OmmaSt

Go r i g h t ahead.

(Photos r e c e i v e d aiid marked Evei'green Ma:io:e*s E x h i b i t s Bj&gt; C»
D and £»)
Z5R, ZIHGAROs

Mr. Cusrsings^ I j u s t v7ant t o Bay a few

other- t h i n g s .
M?v, CUMMII'JGSs

J u s t one moment p l e a s e .

MR. SHJMBEEGs

Uv« Chairman,* do 7012 have a eor&gt;v of t h e

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f i l e ^Isrns h e r e ?

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�MR. CUMMBIGSs
MR. LAMO&amp;Ts

Right here.

Mr. Chairman, I'd say about twice as much

as the required amount?

Tho required amount based upon the depth

of 14,7 feet is about 25 feet*

Just visually looking at the survey,

we have about 50 feet from that point. The building is 40* Eighty
*?±11 put you out there* We* 11 have about twice as much as required,
over that. That survey is certified hy Engineer Ward Carpenter
from V/hite Plains*
MR* SHIMBEBfi: Mr. Chairman?
MR, COM&amp;IHGS2

Mr. Shiwberg.

MR, SHIMBERG:

I would like to get some indication of ho??

the Building Department of the village feels about this particular
question as to whether the building inspector or other officials
that v;ere appointed by the village outside of this Board, which is
really a Board of Appeals, whether they feel that there has been a
violation here or not. I mean? in other words, the survey and the
plans were submitted, and a building permit was issued baeed on
those plans which 1 believe that the average person would be fully
justified in relying on that and. expending a considerable sure of
money in the construction of a house such as this.
MB* GDmiXmSi

Any question, $eil?

MR* G0LL0GLS:

I had in roind to ask the builder -/here era

the heating plant and utilities located in relation to this play
rooa or bedroom in the basement?
ME* LAMOHT; ^he plans will show. Generally speaking,
just to the north of the family room at a lower level, in a pit.
MR. GOLLGGLY:

Is that a lower level?

MR« LAMOriT; Xes, sir5 lower hy two feet approximately.

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�MR, CmiMXESS: m* Zirigasro?
MR* ZT.IIKrAROs

T©3O

There has been some talk here about

this space behind the garage being above curb-level, First ^3 must
find out what or where the curb-level is before we can determine
whether it1 a above or belom

Now we have had our planss those plans

rather? checked by expes*tsf and the oubic rootage vihich I have refeared to you in my brief which 1*11 leave with you is a total
amount of cubic fcotege which this building has, Nov; 1 think that
this Board should check those plans, compute the cubic footages go
up on the scene and look at the situation* because as Mr* L&amp;iuont
.lust said, his lot is 147 feet deep, According to that, hi3 rear
yard muot be 29-J foot, not 85 as he saids
I.!Ra liAMOWSz ApproximateXy I said*

Appro.?!Mately t7?ice

9.s much as retsuis?G&amp;e
MR. LOPANOj

He claims to have, left 50 feet back there^

&amp;oesnft he?
MR, LAMO&amp;Ts

H?, Chairman^ m a f ' I say—

MR* CUMMXNGS: Y e s , t h a t ' s r i g h t
MR* LAM0S5?:

c

—»\7ith r e s p e c t - t o a v i s i t t o t h e s i t e

la

c o n n e c t i o n w i t h t h e measurement of t h o r e a r yard* v e r y f r a n k l y no
one ? i n c l u d i n g I aa a b u i l d e r , o r any one el?3e could p o s s i b l y
measura a r e a r yard w i t h o u t a survey©

The s u r v e y which has b e e n

s u b m i t t e d a l o n g w i t h t h e p l a n s n o t only shows t h e e x a c t a i s e of t h e
l o t , b u t i t shows e x a c t l y t h e r e l a t i o n s h i p of t h e b u i l d i n g on t h e
l o t v;ith r e s p e c t t o s i d e - l i n e r e s t r i c t i o n s f

front-line

requirements^

t h e d e p t h and wldb'n of t h e b u i l d i n g 9 and t h e remaining p o r t i o n
showing t h e r e a r yard*

Nov? I s a y t h a t and a d v i s e t h a t no one could

p o s s i b l y go up t h e r e ?iith a rules? and m e a s u r e ,

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These t h i n g s a r e

�calculated, with instrumentso

The only way to check i t would be t o

eay ,tnis i s the survey c e r t i f i e d by an engineer.
Carpenter a c e r t i f i e d competent engineer?

Kow i s Ward

Th&lt;3y*ve been in b u s i -

n e s s for God knows how many y e a r s and recognized throughout tha
county as one of the b e s t surveyors in the b u s i n e s s .

Any s u r -

vey or check of t h i s p a r t i c u l a r survey by Mr- Newman of V/ard
C a r p e n t e r ' s firm w i l l come out i d e n t i c a l l y with h i s .

I t has t o .

Based upon t h i s * the T i t l e Guarantee and Trust Company has given
us a building .loan*
MB* CUMMXNGSs

There has been no question about t h e

survey as a survey, Mr. Lamont,

The only q u e s t i o n , a statement

has been made t h a t the b u i l d i n g i s not in p o s i t i o n , and t h a t 1 s " i t She question about a survey wouldn't even be raised*

Are t h e r e

any other—
MR. LAWLER:

I ' d l i k e t o r a i s e one question.

My name i s

T. Newman Lawler, 54 Hemlock Dr.ive, Berth Tarry town, Mew York.

1

understand t h a t Mr. Lament has submitted p i c t u r e s of 59 Hemlock
Drive,

This s e t of plans t h a t have ^een devised are about as s k i l l -

ful an evasion and mockery of t h i s zoning s t a t u t e .

Xou have t h i s

"room of h a l f f i s h , h a l f fowl which i s laughingly c a l l e d a family
room.

I t ? s a l l r i g h t and he probably can get away with i t *

On the

l o t , i t slopes downward, and I want to p o i n t out sharply t h a t the
photographs before you of 59 Hemlock Drive a r e t h e ones where t h e
ground goes t h a t way, n o t up*
level,

I think those v i o l a t e the c u r b -

X think i f t h e y 5 r e properly measured, you w i l l find t h a t

more than 50;! of t h a t room i s below c u r b - l e v e l .

But a l l I want

you gentlemen to do i s go up and take a look a t t h i s monstrosity
t h a t ' s being e r e c t e d .

Lir. Lament cheerfully oroisises t h a t h e ' l l

�h?/ve a roar yard of 50 feet. It v/ill take ail the earth-moving
machinery in Westchester County to get hi?&amp; a rear yard of 50 feet,
and he can't get it in there, He*s trespassed on other people's
property^ hacked dovm tve&gt;-g that don*t belong to him; and he's
got the damndest mud hole that was ever designed. All I request
is that you gentlemen go up and take a look at this thing,
MR* JOBS SON: Mr, Chairman &lt;&gt; my name is Roy Johnson. I'm
the architect for these houses. I*ve heen around for a long time
in Westchester County $ and 1 think I know precisely the problems
and perhaps the scope of building departments and Board of Trustees*
I worked on a committee that works for zoning boards. I worked on
a board of architect review which has to do with the approval of
plans.

I think that the thing gets a little bit off base here

when someone talks about monstrosities. Tn this particular case^.
I dre?/ a set of plans which the builder properly submitted to the
duly authorized Building Department of the Village of Kortii
Tarrytovvii* Bow you people yourselves may find certain faults with
the building department. 2ou may find certain faults with the way
your procedures are for building.

The fact of the matter is that

1 as an architect working with, the builder can oaly work according
to the laws of your particular municipality rhieh is incorporated
under the laws of the State of $ew York. These plans were submitted duly. They were approved by your building department. They
•r/ere approved 1 think in this particular case by an architect ?/ho
represented a community group who has at stakej at least I believe
they have at stake«&gt; a certain responsibility to keep the size of
houses to a certain level., and ?,re!re not talking any more about
whether houses are satisfactory to a particular person or not.

�I*m t a k i n g about public safety*
es riied with j.yu'blie s a f e t y .

The building lav/s a r e only con-

I s a house safe?

And in t h i s p a r t i c u -

l a r oase 5 i s i t Dig?

The b u i l d e r in t h i s case submitted h i s plans

and got an approval*

I f i n f u t u r e p l a n s , i f you as a Board of

t r u s t e e s wish to point out t h a t the requirements might be lengthened
and t h a t he should make l a r g e r houses, t h a t you ?iiil or w i l l not
approve of what a s p l i t - l e v e l house gives as a d d i t i o n a l spa$$, this*
of course* i s always your pr.iv5.lege*

But meantime you have approved

h i s p l a n s , and 1 can*t q u i t e understand t h e business of trying to
take away something t h a t you have once given t o a b u i l d e r ,
MR, COMISGS:
MR* MMOKTs

I s t h e r e any other person?
Mr. Chairman* may I answer t h e gentleman b e -

hind me in connection with the photographs?

We have sub-nit-ted tv/o

s e t s * one of t h e house in question and one of a f i n i s h e d house a t
59 Hemlock Drive vfeich was our aodel*
set*

I*d l i k e t o c l a r i f y t h a t .

We did not submit only one

Both s e t s of p r i n t s have been sub-

mitted t o the Board in esspianaticn of which i s the house :Uii quest i o n , I b e l i e v e was made by Mr, Shiraberg.

Has t h e r e been any doubt

in your minds, gentlemen, as to which i s the house w e ' r e speaking
of i n connection with t h e photographs?

Xfd l i k e t o c l e a r t h a t up.

I &amp;on*t want to r e p r e s e n t t h a t I ' m giving you a d i f f e r e n t house* I
only submitted the o t h e r s e t of photographs to show what the f i n ished thing might look l i k e ,
MR* CUMLalRGS;

You've submitted four photographs h e r e ,

one a finished room t h a t ' s a t 59 --&amp;&amp; the o t h e r a t 54J £s thatcorrect?
MR„ LPMQ&amp;Tt T h a t ' s c o r r e c t .

As f a r as t h e question of

�p e r s o n a l i t i e s end "That c o n s t i t u t e s a monstrosity and one opinion
n g a l n s t someone elBej blondes, b r u n e t t e s j big houses, small houses;
Buiek cars and a l l o t h s r s o r t s of things t h a t we a l l have t h e
p r i v i l e g e to t h i s date of saying, 1 l i k e t h i s and I d o n ' t l i k e
this.

On the other head., i f yon f e e l v i c e versa, fine for . you.

T'hat 1 f e e l i s becoming too personal when you say 1 d o n ' t l i k e the
house| t h e r e f o r e , I don't" think i t should be t h e r e .
MR. LAVZLIBR: Perhaps X outraged my friends h e r e by c a l l ing the house a monstrosity.
feelings.

1 had no i n t e n t i o n of h u r t i n g t h e i r

The only thing I do maintain i s t h a t a proper dissemi-

nation of the c u r b - l e v e l on most of these houses being e r e c t e d up
t h e r e w i l l d i s c l o s e t h a t t h i s s o - c a l l e d family room i s a c e l l a r
and not p a r t of the dwelling space.
MR, J0E8S08:

Mr. Chairman, t h e r e i s one thing Tid l i k e

t o c l a r i f y about c u r b - l e v e l ,

The topography of Sorth Tarrytown

being T/hat i t i s as i t i s in many cases in Westchester County* I
a s s u r e you, you ??ill find zonings t h a t overlook the Hudson River
in which a house might properly be placed ten f e e t above t h e curb**
j.evel and s t i l l be a good house.
involved h e r e .

Curb-level i s p a r t of the t h i n g s

There a r e t h e s e d e f i n i t i o n s of c e l l a r f o r i n s t a n c e .

The c e l l a r , f o r i n s t a n c e , a basement.
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grade.

tant,

A c e l l a r i s a space 50% h e -

As f a r as the b u s i n e s s of c u r b - l e v e l , i t * s not iHipor-

I can take you t o any number of s i t e s in n o r t h Tarrytown or

any p l a c e in Westchester Comity,

My o?/n house happens t o b e , I

l i v e in a house which i s 30 f e e t below c u r b - l e v e l .

By t h e s e s t a n -

dards h e r e , I am probably l i v i n g in a house v/hieh s h o u l d n ' t e x i s t
according t o t h e standards ??hich are r a i s e d oy curb-levels*

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it's

�n o t important.
County*

This i s the n a t u r e of topography in Westchester

I s or i s not the house within the s p i r i t of the Zoning

Ordinance which you gentlemen have s e t up?
t a n t tiling.

This i s t h e impor-

Curb-levels are not important, not in t h i s topography.

In p o t a t o f i e l d s of Long Island* i t * s very important, n o t here*
MR* CUMMTKGS: Mr. Zingaro.
MR. ZB1GAB0:

Mr. Gummings, I take i s s u e with Mr.

J o h n s o n ' s statement t h a t c u r b - l e v e l has nothing to do T?ith i t .
Curb-level i s the important and determining f a c t o r as t o whether
or n o t t h i s room i s a c e l l a r *

Otherwise, our Code wouldn*t men-

t i o n c u r b - l e v e l even though if. d o e s n ' t specify what c u r b - l e v e l i s |
and the Hew Vork S t a t e Code TZOUICL n o t mention c u r b - l e v e l i f they
thought t h a t i t meant nothing^ and our laws would

n o t mention

c u r b - l e v e l i f they thought t h a t c u r b - l e v e l meant nothing*

And 1

t a k e g r e a t i s s u e with Mr. Johnson in saying t h a t c u r b - l e v e l had
nothing t o do with i t .

X\SOT?

I do want to say this.* t h a t our law i s

s p e c i f i c and well-taken mien i t says t h a t any taxpayer may bring
t h e m a t t e r before t h i s Zoning Board of Appeals,

I s you know,, our

f i r s t step i s to bring t h e m a t t e r before the Zoning Beard of Appeals,
f o r i f t h a t were not t h e ease., we would have no r i g h t t o come i n t o
Court5 or even the o t h e r side would have no r i g h t to go i n t o Court
because t h e only way we can go i n t o Court ivS t o bring your d e c i sion up for c e r t i o r a r i .

T h a t ' s why t h e law r e q u i r e s us t o come

before t h e Zoning Board f i r s t .
MR. JOHKSOH:

Mr, Chairman, I h a t e to pursue t h e i s s u e

h e r e , but on t h e b u s i n e s s of c e l l a r v e r s u s c u r b - l e v e l , again b e cause t h e Zoning Ordinance and t h e b u i l d i n g ordinance, Building
u;cde and Ordinance of t h e T i l l a g e of Berth Isrryto-sn, have no l i s t

�of definitions-j the reason t h a t we brought in the IIev/ £ork S t a t e
Building Code i s because 311st g e n e r a l l y speaking the Hew 2ork
S t a t e Building Code i s a companion of most building codes on d e f i n i t i o n B„

When i t comes to the d e f i n i t i o n of a c e l l a r - J. don*t

t h i n k we should whip t h i s thing to the ground - 1 v?ould l i k e t o
read again t h e d e f i n i t i o n of the Kew York S t a t e Building Code of
a cellar.

I t says,
H

3?hat space of a b u i l d i n g t h a t i s p a r t l y or
e n t i r e l y below grade which has more t h a s
h a l f of i t s h e i g h t measured from f l o o r t o
c e i l i n g below t h e average e s t a b l i s h e d curb*
ieYel or f i n i s h e d grade of the ground
adjoining the b u i l d i n g a«

»**.»or f i n i s h e d grade of the ground adjoining the b u i l d i n g , R we
a r e concerned here*

You can have 50 a c r e s of ground and put a

s i n g l e house on 50 a c r e s * Xou can r e f e r y o u r s e l f t o a curb, or
you can r e f e r yourself to ?/hat i s c a l l e d here the f i n i s h e d grade
of t h e ground adjoining the b u i l d i n g .

Again, on a 50~acre piece

of land you could have a c u r b - l e v e l o u t s i d e , and you could have
a house 75 or a hundred f e e t below t h e c u r b - l e v e l ,

?/e are con-

cerned here with what i s t h i s b u i l d i n g to the grade around t h e
house?
Island,

Eorth Tarry tomi again i s n o t a p o t a t o f i e l d i s Long
I t has s e r i o u s d i f f i c u l t i e s i n grade v?hich a r e t y p i c a l

t o Westchester County*
tant.

What t h e curb i s a t the s t r e e t i s unimpor-

Even i f Mr. Lament could, prove t h a t h i s house 7/as. above the

c u r b - l e v e l , t h e question i s 5 what i s t h i s house t o i t s oisn grade?
MR« CUMiJXftGS:

Bo you have any questions?

Are t h e r e

any o t h e r people or persons here who v/ish t o consent?
MR* ZiaGARO:

1 %ant t o submit t h i s brief»

Ida, GQlMJMGSz Surely.

Sote the submission of a b r i e f

�(Brief received and narked GTeller's Exhibit 8*)
Ma. COffllKGS: Are there any more comments regarding the
subject at hand?

Mr. Lament,

MR* LAMQ&amp;T: Mr, Chairman, in connection with a trip at
the site5 1 would be happy if* you gentlemen ?/oul&amp; make a trip at
your convenience to review the matter with the plans on the site
after you have checked the cubical content primarily, because
based upon every rule and every hook we have been able to find and
manner by ^ M e h 1 computed the cube, my architect Mr. Johnson computed the cube., Mr, Cooly-, the architect representing the taxpayers*
association5 and the building inspector, all of those four persons
computed the cube individually following what v»"9 call accepted
architectural and building practices^ aiod all of ns came up with
plus or minus uithixi a few feet of the cube as indicated on those
plans.

I know that there are many cases where experts in any field

differ completely. I say this is blue and heJ 1.1 say this is not
blue*

But here we have four so-called people within the field who

have come up with the identical cube from architect to designer to
builder to taxpayers* architect to building inspector.
the building permit was issued*

xhat is why

How we find one expert - by which

method he computed the cube I don't know - "Alio says, no., the cubs
is not as you claim.

I would be very h&amp;ppy at anytime to meet with

you gentlemen, take you to the site and show off the house as it
exists and give you^ if T. can,, by sone description" what will occur
as we progress with the construction and perhaps show you the finished house, whi.eh although I will admit the grade is-a reverse
situation^ we'll give you an idea of the ultimate result mien we
are through v/ith this site*

�mu LOP/iSOs

Mr, Layout?

MRB LmmT;

5fes?

MHo LGPA^Qs

Are we to under stand t h a t the expert who

computed t h e i r cube i s using a d i f f e r e n t system .from yours,, or do .
T7S understand t h a t M s cube ;]nst e l i m i n a t e s the room In q u e s t i o n ,
or i s i t a combination
MB* LAMOKT;

of both?
I would say, based upon the f i g u r e s t h a t

xver© quoted hy Mr- Zingaro, t h e r e i s a combination of both*
the A r c h i t e c t s

Now

I n s t i t u t e of America, which has a handbook, gives

a method of computing t h e cube v/hieh almost everybody v?ho i s
a c t i v e l y engaged in the f i e l d u s e s .

T h a t ' s why Mr, Johnson, Mr.

Lamont, Mr- Fitj?.patriek and Mr. Cooly came up with t h a t svme f i g u r e |
said based upon t h e f i g u r e t h a t Mr, 2ingaro quoted^ 1 d o n ' t Imovi
v/hat method he used,
MR, CuMMlKGS;
MR. LOPAMGt

Any o t h e r questions?
Could you offhancu or do you knc?/' what t h e

cubic content of t h e room in question i s ?

Whe.t I want t o g e t a t i s -

MR* LMQIlTi

The d i f f e r e n c e het?/een the two?

MR, LOPAHO:

Right,

MR, LMOn?t

3.776.

Mathematically t h a t might vary b e -

tween two or t h r e e people by a very few cubic- f e e t , but t h a t ? s
about a l l *

That i s the room in q u e s t i o n , not the c e l l a r , wMchj,

gentlemen, i f X say say., an i n s p e c t i o n t o the s i t e w i l l t e l l v i s u a l l y by cye9 ?/itheut e n g i n e e r s , surveyors or what have you, t h a t
t h e l e v e l of t h i s thing i s approximately t h r e e feet, ~by eye t h a t i s ,
above t h e grade d i r e c t l y in f r o n t of t h a t room, of t h e curb-level*
Very l o g i c a l l y , t h e reason 1 b e l i e v e t h a t they say in t h i s handbook
o r in a l l of t h e s e d e f i n i t i o n s t h a t we f i n d ,

R

or,M- they say,

�" c u r b - l e v e l or R the surrounding grade i s t h a t t h e r e are many slopes
in which the curb could be here and go l i k e t h i s ( i n d i c a t i n g wavy
motion)«

Put the house dovm t h e r e , you are way below t h e curb, but

you found yourself s b e a u t i f u l spot t o b u i l d , perhaps by t r e e s o r
what have you.

But if" t h a t p o r t i o n of the room i s above the e x i s t -

ing grade, you are n o t in v i o l a t i o n *

I f t h a t were t h e case, many

many houses, thousands of them perhaps throughout t h e county, many
of them in Worth Tarry toisn, would be in complete v i o i a t i n i f t h a t
i n t e r p r e t a t i o n i s ever placed on the placement of c u r b - l e v e l . £hat
i s why the a l t e r n a t e i s given, t h a t the surrounding "grade must
have some r e l a t i o n s h i p to any room,
MR. COMINGS;

Are t h e r e any more comments?

Have yon

any questions., Neil?
MR. GOLLOGLX;

T T/OUICI

move t h a t we study t h e plans more,

t h a t we go on the s i t e and take with us our competent v i l l a g e
engineer to verify the measurements on the plan and t h e p l o t p l a n ,
and give our decision from there*
MR. LOPANO:

I second the motion.

MR, COMMIKGS: All those in favor signify hy aye*
UNANIMOUS:

Aye.

MR, CUi&amp;SINGS: The motion is carried, How as a matter
of information and pai't of the record of the meeting tonight, this
marked set of plans here will be included.

It may be necessary at

times during our consideration of this to call upon the interested
parties to explain some part of their stand or verify some of
their statements here this evening and 7/e will do that at your
convenience| and there will without question probably be an insnection of the tiob site on a weekend or a business or executive

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�meeting here in the evening

We'll take the matter under Considera-

tion and keep the interested parties advised of the progress and
BIBQ

the results,
MR. SHlMBEEGt

XJd like to make one point, Mr, Chairman*

I know that you'll probably do it anyway, but 1*11 ask you to use
e-s-ery endeavor to come to a speedy determination of this matter
one way or another, Jt*s not so much, as a matter of fact, because
of the interest of Mr* Lament5 more from the point of view of the
interest of the parties who hope and intend to move into this house
and have made their plans based upon a esrtain date. Therefore,,
the only people that would really be inconvenienced by a lengthy
determination of this thing would be really two innocent parties
here r.nc are not really involved in it one Fay or another-, but who
hope to make that their home,
MR* COMFOTGS: May 1 ask what that date -is?
MR*

It*s rather flexible now, somewhere about

LMOHGJ

June 1stj depending upon sale of their present house.
MR, COMBINGS: Any other comments?

I'll 'declare/the

meeting adjourned for further consideration,
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Certified to be a true and correct transcript of minutes of-the
hearing in the matter of complaint of L

M. Greller against

Evergreen Manor, Inc.,

Horita "Rico, C/^.S.

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WMTH TARIOTOWH, N,Y«
-March 8 P 1955
The Zoning Board of Appeals of the Village o.f Horth Tarrytown,
KoY»p held a meeting on the above date to consider? the application
of Mr, George Angevine of 11? New Broadway, for a variance to
extend his garage three ieetc
Present?

Edward B# Cummings, Ohairman
David Page
Neil Gollogly
George N» Lopano

jybaent.

Edward Koval

Chairman Cummings,called the meeting to order at 8*05 P»M«
after which he read the notice of hearings
Mr* George Angevine 2i*», appearing in behalf of hie father,
commented that the notice was'worded wrong* He otated that the
garage was to be extended three feet but not within the front
line* The garage faces Van Ripper Avenue and not Hew Broadway
said Mr* Angevine*
After a short discussion, Mr* Page moved, seconded by Mr.
Lopano, that permission be granted to Mr* Ahg@vj.ne to extend
hie garage three feet in front thereof, facing Van Ripper Avenue,,
Carried,
There being no further business to come before the Board, Chairman Cumminge declared that the meeting be adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,

J2Jb+*«*~«^^

^£i

Pilomena Fallaoe.ro
Clerk

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NORTH TAHftYTOWN, N.Y.
April 25, 1955

A Public Pleading was held hy the Zoning Board of Appeals
of the Village of North Tarrytown, N.Y, on the application of
John E* Foley and Myra B. Foley for a variance in side yard
restrictions*
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iU^Jint.

Edward B„ Cummings, Chairman
David Page
Neil Gollogly
Rutherford Stinard
" Edward Koval

Chairman Coamings called the meeting to order at 8;10 and
read the Notice of Hearing*
Mr* William Casey, attorney for Mr. and Mrs. Foley stated
that there are two separate buildings on one parcel of land
owned by a common owner for more than 35 years and that.it is
now necessary that the. present owner disposes of the property*
The owner cannot sell; both houses to one purchaser and so is
selling one house to a Mr* John Koeka (house #13) and house
#15 to Mr. Walter Maecabee. Sftie distance t&gt;e%*?gen the two
houses le 2»80 fto and side line restrictions, according to
the Zoning Ordinance, is three feet* he said*
Mr* C^sey stated that the owners would like to divide,
the parcels so that the line goes'up through the center thereby
making the side line 1*40 ft* on each pareel» He also stated
that there would be no changes in the structure and by granting
this variance, the Zoning Code would not be endangered*
There being no further comment on:the matter, Mr0 Gollogly
moved that the variance be granted.to John and Myra Foley
according to petition and plans submitted, seconded by Mr, Page.
Carried*
There being no further business to come before the Board,
Chairman Cusmings declared that the meeting be adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,

Filomena Fallacaro
Clerk

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                    <text>HORTH-TARRXTOWN, N.X»
April 27, 1955

A Public Hearing was held by the Zoning Board of Appeals
of the Village of North Tarry town, N«Y« on the application of
Mr* William Onderdonk in a variance for rear line and side line
restrictions*
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«

Edward B, Gumming;s, Chairman
Neil Oollogly
David Pag©
Rutherford stihard
Patrick Powers, Jr3,
Counsel

Chairman Ouramings called the meeting to order at StlQ P«M«
and read notice of hearing,
Mr, Onderdonk requested permission to "build an addition,
not to exceed 12 feet "in width and 22 feet in depth to the
east Bide of his garage zma that the easterly wall of the
proposed addition would be not less than 4 feet from the
easterly side line of his premises and the rear wall not less
than 8 feet from the real* line*
Mr* Gollogly inquired of Mr. Onderdonk the width of the
garage upon completion• Mr* Onderdonk stated that it would
be twelve feet wide or possibly leon*
After a brief discussion* Mr* Stinard moved, seconded by
Mr* G-oilegly that the applicant, Mr* William Onderdonk, be granted
a variance from side
' "line and" rear-, yard restrictions*
provided that a side area of at least four feet and a rear yard
area of at least ten feet be maintained on the premises in question*
"CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY11
There being no further business to come before the Board,
Chairman Cutnmlngs declared that, the meeting be adjourn ecu.
Respectfully submitted^

Filomena Fallacaro
Clerk.'

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VILLAGE OF NORTH TARRyW-'N
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B^FORF;

FDV:ARD B. CTM^TNGS, Chairman,
and

Patrick J, Powers,
Village Attorney, Advisory

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Membprs of Zoning Board of Appeals:
RUTHERFORD L. STFVARD
NEIL GOLLOGLY
DAVID PAGF
APPFARANCFS
ANGFLO F. ZTTCGARO,- FSq.
Attorney for Complainant
17 North Broadway
Tarrytown, New York

JAMFS H. SHIMBFRG, FSO.
Attorney for Respondent
565 Fifth Avenue
New York, New York

�MR. CUMMINGS:

The meeting w i l l come bo o r d e r p l e a s e *

This i s an informal meeting only and i t ' s f o r t h e main purpose of
t h e enlightenment of t h e Board,

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*e would l i k e t o p.et d e t a i l e d

in-

formation on how t h e c u b i c a l c o n t e n t of t h e s e houses was d e t e r m i n e d .
The q u e s t i o n of i n t e r p r e t a t i o n of the code i s a f f e c t e d by sone d a t a
which was s u b m i t t e d by t h e Taxpayers 1 A s s o c i a t i o n and our main p o i n t
we'C l i k e t o know a t what p o i n t s would t h e c e i l ' r v ^ s h»iHats and f l o o r
h ^ i ^ h t s , what p o i n t s . \vpw us^d and a l s o who t h e r the basements on
t h e e x i s t i n g houses which would f a l l w i t h i n the same

classification

as a new house 9 whether t h o s e basements v/^re included in t h e c u b i c a l
c o n t e n t of t h e e x i s t i n g houses as computed.

*Tow we have some i n -

formation from t h e T a x p a y e r s ' A s s o c i a t i o n , I b e l i e v e *
he-e i s p r e s e n t .

?-'r. ffeath

V.'ill you ^ive your name?

MR, rJEATH:

My name i s C u r t i s Heath.

I am a member of

the Zon'ncA c.: =/;i l.'toe of t h e Sleepy Hollo?/ Manor Taxpayers 1

Association.

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*e p.Ou vour l e t t e r Mr. Chairman, i u s t v e s t e r d a v and we c o n t a c t e d

Mr. Cooley t h e a r c h i t e c t who a s s i s t s us t o ask him whether he would
be here and be a v a i l a b l e t o you gentlemen and. he t o l d us t h a t he had
a p r e v i o u s ^ngap.ement t h a t he couldn*t b r e a k on such s h o r t n o t i c e .
So he has p r e p a r e d some d a t a which ¥v,
in a memorandum herei which
MR. CU/iJujJCrS:
MR. I-f^ATH:

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Caleb C u r t i s has

incorporated

wll3 hand t o y o u .

ould you c a r ? t o r e a d i t a l o u d ?

Y e s , I mi«?ht say b e f o r e I r^ad t h i s t h a t

f.ir. Zinrraro has c a l l e d my a t t e n t i o n t o an e r r o r which I b e l i e v e ^s
an

&amp;

rror- n ^ a r t h e bottom - l o t 7 , Block 3 .

I t h i n k Mr. Cooley has

t h e v/ronp: fi^ur^ 5 because -T have a p r e v i ous s t a t e m e n t s u b m i t t e d by
Mr. Cooley which g i v e s t h a t f i g u r e d i f f e r e n t l y and when I read 5t
off,

T v a i l F a " a n o t h e r f i rp.r^ anc I am c u i t e s u r e t h e o t h ^ r f i g u r e

�5a the correct one because we've had that house in question many
times.

The statement is as followst
"The cube of existing and new houses is computed
by multiplying the exterior dimensions of the building,
in the horizontal r&gt;lane, determining the area,
multiplied by the height betreen the bottom of the
sill plate and th^ ton of the ceilinn; joists. In
short, the exterior dimensions of the construction
envelope enclosing the livable epfi.-e multiplied
provi de the cube,
The original required cube was computed from
actual measured dimensions of existing residences
before new construction was actively started in
the Manor, approximately July 1953, Eighty five
percent of the average cube of the houses within
a radius of 400 feet of the proposed new residence
determined the required cube*
The following tabulation illustrates the
Drocedure for Block 7 Lot 18:
Residence of

Calculated Cube

Mr. Vanderwater
16,850
Vente
231520
Mullis
27^877
Ode11
22,387
Niesse
17,922
Holt
19,899
Akin i
31,710
Collins
33,842
Bronson
21,732
Robinson
26,792 "
Those ten houses total 242,531, and you divide that by ten and
multiply by eighty five nercent and your result is 20,615. Then
the memorandum mentions that two houses were built in the late
summer of 1953 reducing the required cube to 20,245* Now that
figure that I .just read does not reflect the mistake that I
mentioned a minute ago. I v/ill try to do the mathematics again.
The previous total of ten houses was 242,531. Then Block 7, Lot 3

rp

which is Mr, Millar1s house, as corrected, that should be 24,597;
Block 7, Lot 4 which is Mr. McCann's house 20,464, making a total

�of 2~&lt;5,818; divided by 12 and multiplied by eighty five percent
reduces that figure that I mentioned before which is incorrect and he v/ill make the recalculation* "The house filed for Block 7,
Lot IB, is computed as follows:
Entrance and unper l^vel, 1,716 so.
fe-ofc x 10
f
which he computes as the height o ' that particular
portion, eouals 17,160, Lower level, and I think by
that he means the lower level room, 430 so, feet x
8,4, meaning the he1 ^ht eouals 3,6125 Total of
20,772,
"The forewo*rig is information prepared by George H,
Cooley, architect employed by the Association.
CALEB CIIHTIS
Buildinp. Committee Chairman
Sleepy Hollow Taxpayers!Association
I might make just one comment at this particular hearing, V'e v,lsh to
be neutral for two reasons, one is that our committee having passed
this house, we don't feel that we want to take a position of retracting, as being possibly unfair to the builder. On the other
hand we don't want to take the position adverse to our residents,
many of whom feel that this particular room should not be included
in the cube. The second reason is that our position that we took
originates from a meeting we had on a somewhat similar room two
years ago. It was not on a peculiar lot of this kind, Tl'e felt
at the timet that the question was nuite difficult and troublesome,
"e had the napers of. an appeal of this Board all drawn up and v/e
debated filing it. We ended ur» by not filing it. I'd like to
point out that we are not experts in the building field.

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'e feel

that this Board is probably In a better position to decide things
of this kind than we have been. You have the benef5.t of two counsel
having studied this particular nuestion in great detail, I know
both of these counsel, one of them personally, and one by refutation
and I am sure that they uill furnish you with really the results of

�some r e a l l y hard work and c.ood t h i n k i n g on t h e t m e s t i o n and we
f e e l t h a t whatever you decide w i l l be a good d e c i s i o n .

tfay

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f i p s t make t h i s recomputation so t h a t t h e f i g u r e s vi11

be c o r r e c t

and hand t h i s t o you?
MR, CURINGS:

YRS, ^urp.

Nov.- w i l l you answer i f you

a r e a b l e , are any of th^sn ^x'st^np; h o u s e s , do t h e y hnvfi a
basement a r e a or a volune 3* »•.-.* l a r t o t h e one under «uostjon and
i f s o , w i l l you t e l l us?
MR. RFATH:

I am s u r e - we fcr5ed t o follow a c o n s i s t a n t

r u l e in computing cubes of e x i s t i n g houses and computing cubes of
new houses proposed t o be b u i l t , and Mr, Cooley has t o l d me t h a t
wherever t h e r e a r e base??ient rooms - and he has by f o l l o w i n g t h e
r u l e of I n c l u d i n g basement rooms where t&lt;iey a r e more t h a n 50$
of ground l e v e l - where t h e r e a r e s i m i l a r rooms in e x i s t i n g
houses he has i n c l u d e d them because he i n c l u d e s them on t h e new
houses * Now I am n o t s u r e hoy; many of t h e s e e x i s t in??, houses have
such basement rooms*

I t h i n k Bob Akin has s t a t e d t h a t he has a

f i n i s h e d basement room, and he does n o t know whether a t 's

exactly

comperable t o the room you have in q u e s t i o n or not*
MR* CUM-TNfKj;

n1he one c o n s t r u c t e d very f r a n k l y i s t h e

one above t h i s h o u s e ,
f=*R. HFATH:

I might say t h i s , t h i s committee may

o u e s t i o n t o compute t h e cube of t h a t M i l l a r house i t s e l f *

I say

t h a t for t h i s r e a s o n , when Mr. Cooley computed t h i s cube which
i s on hnve,

i t was from the p l a n s ; and I did h e a r , t h a t when t h a t

house was b u i l t , i t v;as or5f' t 1nall xr planned t o s i n k t h e house i n t o

�the ground and when they got there, they found that there was
so much rock that they had to build the house higher. Now that
may make a difference. Now if we could help you by having
Mr. Cooley come up and recompute that from the way it stands
now, wefd b?5 glad to. On the other hand P Mr. Cooley has given
his basis here and T think it would be fairly simple for one or
more of you gentlemen to go there and do the cubing yourselves•
"'e'll do whatever you want on that,
MR. CUMMINGS: Well that would be up to the Board.
Have you gentlemen any nuestions?
MR. STFVARD: I have one ouestion. .
MR. CURINGS: Go ahead, Mr. Stevard.
MR. STEVARD: Mr. Heath, in cubing the house, did
Mr. Cooley take into account how it was determ5ned which house
was within the 400 feet radius?
Mr, fTYxTH: You take from the center of the proposed
residence and he computed from a map which is a photostat of the
original map of the Manor filed over in the County Clerk1s
Office in White Plains. There is a possibility of error, I
suppose, in going from the map because the map doesn't show
the precise location of the existing houses. On the other hand,
there is a difficulty in doing it, at least in tiiis residence,
by trying to measure by the terrain bfGause it's so much up and
down hill.

,v

e feel that doing it from that map, it is reasonably

accurate, although there may in some instances be some debateable
points. Very-often you get nuite close.to a house in striking

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�your radius on a man,
MR. STFVAFD:

The r e a s o n T ask^d t h a t , Mr. C h a i r m a n ,

i f T mif»;hfc p o i n t o u t a p o i n t , I ' m n o t t o o f a m i l i a r w h e t h e r t h e
IRW say? Hie house I t s e l T 6v t h e
?/!F. PO,vERS:

property,

Houses,

MR. STKVA^D:

"Ti^ther it'1 s the house or whether

th^ radius passes through the property?
MR, POV^RS:

Suppose we read the section,*

MR, CUMMISGS: Y°s.
- MR. POV'ERS: " 'Adjacent residence* means a
buildSng located in a Residence 'A*
district sjid used for resident5al
purposest any part of which is located
within a circle having a radius of
400 feet measured from the central
point of the proposed new residence",
MR. ST~VARD:

In other words, it's the structure

itself, not the property.
MR. CUM^INGS : That! s riofnt *
MR. l-OyT*?S:
MR. CTM^INGS:

Do you h a v e any q u e s t i o n s , N e i l ?

MR. GOLLOC-LY:

*To, n o t a t t h i s

UP. CIIMT3GS:

Dave?

MR. PAG*7!:

time.

No, I h a v e n ' t r&lt;ot a n y .

MR. CUMIIINGS :
h a v e any

That's right.

How a b o u t y o u , ?Ar. P o w e r s , do you

nuestions?
MR. PO-^RS:
MR.- 3TFVAPB:

by c o u n s e l ?

No.
May T have one more n u e s t i o n c l e a r e d

�MR. Cmr-INGS: Go ahead.
MR. ST^VAPD: Not knowing in this particular district
when all these houses had permits issued for construction by
the building department here, let us assume that the house in
auestion or any house which may come up in the future? is
started in a similar house, by another house within the 400
feet radius, hut which is not completed, does that house
count within the cube in computing this for a permit in this
new location; it affects this particular house; that's the
po-*nt I'm asking. The plans would be on file*
MR. FOV.-PS: That's correct. I would say that it
would deal only with completed residences.
MR. HF/VPH: May I comment on that?
MR. PCV-VERS: Yes.
MR. HFATH:

I j u s t happened t o look a t t h e law, I

d o n ' t want t o i n f r i n g e on your p e r o p j i t i v e s , but may I advance
a view?
MR. POVEFS:
MR. H^ATrl:

Go a h e a d .
"Adjacent r e s i d e n c e " ho r e i s

defined

as a b u i l d i n g l o c a t e d i n a PesJdenee 'A' D i s t r i c t and U3ed
for r e s i d e n t i a l p u r p o s e s .
T4R. F0'""HS:
if i t isn't

I t c a n ' t be f o r r e s i d e n t i a l purposes

completed:
MR. ST^VA'B:
MR. CrJfrf.fINCrS:

' " e l l t h a t ' s a f i n e p o i n t in law.
Now Mr. Tamont would you care t o fdve

�us a s t a t e m e n t i n t h i s

nuestion?

MR. LAMONT:

Very b r i e f l y *

I computed my cube in

j u s t about t h e same f a s h i o n as Mr, Cooley; as w e l l a s Mr* Johnson,
the Architect*

I varied s l i g h t l y .

by about 60 f e e t *

I was a l i t t l e b i t h i g h e r

Since T \va3 o v e r t h e r e o u i r e d cube, I

didnft

f o o l w i t h i t one way o r t h e o t h e r .
v

MR. CTM'^INfrS:

"here did you o b t a i n your average

c u b i c a l f i g u r e t o b a s e t h e s i z e of the house under q u e s t i o n ?
MR, LAMONT:

Frmm Mr. Cooley,

MR. CURINGS:

From Mr, Cooley?

MR. LAMONT:

From Mr. Cooley.

MR. CTJMMINGS:
MR. POY/ERS:

Any q u e s t i o n s ?

You used t h e i d e n t i c a l methods as used

by t h e p r e v i o u s s p e a k e r i n i n d i c a t i n g t h e method of computing
t h e cube?
MR • • LATaOTCT: The only d i f f e r e n c e i s t h a t my hand
book in so f a r a s the lower l e v e l \?as concerned, I used t h e
f i g u r e 8.5 i n s t e a d of B . 4 ,
of four*

I allowed s i x inches below i n s t e a d

I t d i d n ' t mean t h a t

much d i f f e r e n c e ,

.2 of a foot

h a r d l y makes any d i f f e r e n c e a t a l l i n speaking of thousands of
cubic

feet.
MR. POVFRS: And how did you f i g u r e t h e h e i g h t o f

t h e room?
MR. LAMONT:

From t h e under s i d e of t h e s i l l —

MR. POWEHS:

Under s i d e of t h e

^m ** *•

sill?

�MR. LAMOKT:

Fight,

To t h e t o p of t h e c e i l i n g beam,

I t ' s fi 2 x 8 f l o o r beam o r ^ o i s t p l u s two 2 x 6 ' s f o r a s i l l ,
8 f e e t 6 i n c h e ^ i l i n ^ s p l u s 2 x 6 c e ^ l l n n ; beam, s q u a r e

footagef

10 f e ^ t i n h e i g h t ,
MR. CUM ITOS;

W e i l , any

MB, OALLOGLY:

Ho, I t h i n k t h a t I s t h e u s u a l method*

MR. LAMONT:

mentions?

'"' , ) n *

That is the u s u a l method.

MR. CXJM.'"IWGS:

Do you h a v e any o t h e r - v a e s t i o n s MR.

PO,?:FRS?
MR. PO,vKPS:

No,

MR. COAMINGS:
MR. LAMONT:

Mr, Lamont?"
I m i g h t add t h a t t h a t method 5 s ' « i v o n i n

a l m o s t a l l a r c h i t e c t u r a l hand b o o k s .

I n t h e S t a t e B u i l d i n g Code

a l m o s t t h e i d e n t i c a l method i s u s e d i n computing t h e c u b e .
only difference

of c o u r s e , i s what i s e x c l u d e d - t h a t ' s

The

the

o n l y p o i n t - s u c h a s c e l l a r s , a t t i c s and p o r c h e s .
MR. CUM&amp;1IN03:
MR. ZIMGARO:

Mr. Zin.saro?
I want t o a p o l o g i z e a t t h i s t i m e

t h e a b s e n c e of Mr. O r e l l ^ r who i s i n F l o r i d a .

for.,

I dlscovered that

o n l y after- I r e c e i v e d t h e n o t i c e fv-om t h e Zonlnp; Board" t o
appear at t h i s h e a r i n g .

I immediately called h i s o f f i c e

found o u t he was i n F l o r i d a .

I t r i e d t o r&lt;et from h i s

and

office

t h e t e l e p h o n e number where h e c o u l d b e c o n t a c t e d , b u t no one
t h e r e seemed t o know vine r e he i s .

A p p a r e n t l y , h e d o e s n ' t want

t o b»"* b o t h e r e d f o r a b o u t a month* _ He-was t h e o n l y man who c o u l d
p r o d u c e t h e man who made h i s c a l c u l a t i o n s f o r hlrn, and n o t

being

�abl&lt;? t o c o n t a c t Mr* O r e l l o r , T t h e r e f o r v;as unable t o c o n t a c t
t h e man who made the c a l c u l a t i o n s .

But I d o n ' t t h i n k w e ' r e

concerned ho re w i t h t h e a c t u a l cube In t h i s b u i l d i n g ; w e ' r e
j u s t arguing about what i t may be^ based on c e r t a i n
submitted by Mr. Cooley*

figures

But I t h i n k Mr-, H e a t h ' s s u g g e s t i o n

i s a very good one t o have Mr» Cooley go up t h e r e on t h e
and t a k e t h e cube of t h e b u i l d i n g 93 i t
MR, CUMfOTOS:

field

stands,

T h a t ' s j u s t one £ That was r a i s e d by

t h e Board, t h a t p a r t i c u l a r r e s i d e n c e .

There may be o t h e r 3 ,

That v/as so obvious from l o o k i n g a t t h i s house f l o t 18 ^ t h a t
t h e r e v/as a doubt i n our minds about t h e method of whether t h a t
had been t a k e n i n t o c o n s i d e r a t i o n *
MR. ZHJGARO:

T a c c e p t e d t h e f i g u r e s s u b m i t t e d by

Mr. Coolly, which were on f i l e h e r e in t h e V i l l a g e

residence

f o r t h e a d j o i n i n g houses w i t h i n a r a d i u s of 400 f e e t ; b u t vve had
t h e cube of t h i s p a r t i c u l a r house on l o t 18 t a b u l a t e d , and t h e
f i g u r e v;e got v/as much lower than t h e f i g u r e s u b m i t t e d by t h e
builder,
MR* CUM ;itfG-S:

Does t h e Board have any q u e s t i o n s ?

(Wo q u e s t i o n s )
MR. CUMKITTG3:

•"-'hen would Mr, Cooley be a v a i l a b l e ?

Does anyone have any i d e a when, Mr, Z i n g a r o , your Mr, G r e l l e r
and h i s A r c h i t e c t and Mr, Cooley ?ould be a v a i l a b l e
discussing t h i s

for

further?

MR. ZTNGARO:

Mr.

teller.
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�MR. CUfcMTNGS:
MR. ZINGABO:
MR, HEATH:

Yea, and whatever A r c h i t e c t he h a d ,
I n about a month,

O r d i n a r i l y Mr. Gooley would be a v a i l a b l e .

MR. CURINGS:

I understand t h a t ,

Tn o t h e r words

i f arrangements were made f a r enough ahead, he v;ouid be a v a i l a b l e .
Does t h e Board have any Questions?
t h e s e gentlemen i f t h e r e
MR. STKVARD:

There i s no s e n s e i n h o l d i n g

aren't,
Why do we want Mr. Gooley t o

refigure

t h e same house t h a t he has a l r e a d y cubed?
MR, CUM-aWS:

To s e e whether or n o t i t ' s on t h e

method of t a k i n g t h e basement a r e a s of a s i m i l a r t y p e as t h e
house under q u e s t i o n c o n t a i n s ,
MR. STEVARD:

D i d n ' t Mr, Gooley prove from t h e p l a n

t h a t t h e cube was a c c e p t a b l e ?
?4R. EFATH:

The nuest?on about recomputing came up

on one h o u s ^ , namely, Mr. M i l l a r ' s house and I e x p l a i n e d t h a t
t o my mind t h e r e i s a p o s s i b i l i t y , though I d o n ' t know how
stronn; i t

i s , t h a t t h e computation t h a t Mr. Gooley has f o r t h e

cube of Mr. M i l l a r * s h o u s e , i t was made from t h e p l a n s as
o r i g i n a l l y s u b m i t t e d ; may n o t conform w i t h t h e house t h a t ' s
b u i l t because of the f a c t t h a t when t h e house was b u i l t , i t may
have he.Gii moved u p , and not s e t i n t h e ground -suite so f a r as
i t was shown by t h e o r i g i n a l ,
MR. STEVARD:

plan.

Mr. M i l l a r ' s house has been b u i l t how

long?

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�T t f s been b u i l t about, I d o n ' t know,

MR. H^ATH:
1Q months perhaps,

MR, cm r-7GS:

One point i s t h a t t h i s house was

cub^d from a s e t of plans only, not from an i n s p e c t i o n of
the ground, so i t ' s p o s s i b l e t h a t the plans w i l l not
r e f l e c t the physical elevation of the house I t s e l f ,
im. STWARD:

s'ell i t ' s a check of t h e a c t u a l s i z e

dimentions of. the house as against the submitted p l a n .
MR. CmiltfOS:

Y«s, and the elevation of t h e

lower l e v e l , the lower p a r t ,
MR. RTSVAKD: I don't think Mr, Millar's house
should have any bearing on the present house,

MR. CUM?iItfGS:
-MR. STrVARD:

Well i t ' s within the 400 feet r a d i u s .
Nov; t h i s house i s 90€ completed,

1 think we should forget Mr. M i l l a r ' s house i f i t ' s a few
inches up or down, t h a t we c a n ' t recompute, the cuheage of
t h i s house in question; I t h i n k we should forget Mr. M i l l a r ' s
hous° and deal with t h e -luestion of t h i s p a r t i c u l a r house and
t h i s question of 5Q:£ above grade or below grade.

That has a

beqr'nrr on the cube, not Mr, M i l l a r ' s house.
MR. FCVr^HS: I t would have a bearing i n t h i s
r e s p e c t , t h a t i f Mr. Mi l i a r ' s house, cubed as computed by
fcr. Cooley, from the plans i s l a r g e r than they i n d i c a t e d on
the p l a n s , i t i?ould t h e r e f o r e r a i s e the average of surrounding
property.

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�r/!H. ST"VARD:

v e i l we do know t h a t t h a t h a s been

complied w i t h a l r e a d y .
MR. CUMMINOS:

No, t h a t ' s t h e p o S n t , we d o n ' t

r e a l i z e what t h e cube o f Mr* M i l l a r ' s h o u s e i s *
MR. H^ATKt

24597

MR, CTJMMINGS:

Now t h e o u e a t i o n i s , does

that

f i g u r e i n c l u d e t h e basement a r e a o r does i t n o t ?
MR, SHTHB^FG:

Mr. C h a i r m a n , when Mr. H«ath r e a d

t h e o r i g i n a l f i g u r e s which showed t h i s h o u s e a t 2 , 0 0 0
f e e t l ^ s s t h a n he now s t a t e s t h a t i t
the figures - provided t h a t I'm right

i s , i f you

r e c o m p u t e on

- i t makes a

of l e s s t h a n 100 c u b i c f e e t i n t h e h o u s e *

cubic

difference

Now I t h i n k

that

t h e p o s s i b i l i t y of e r r o r t h a t v / e ! r e t a l k i n g a b o u t , i s t h e
p o s s i b i l i t y t h a t a basement 02" l o w e r l e v e l i n t h i s h o u s e .
may n o t h a v e been t a k e n i n t o a c c o u n t a t t h e t i m e t h a t
Mr* Gooley computed t h e c u b e , b e c a u s e i t may v a r y from t h e
way t h e p l a n s were

filed*

?4R. CTJMyiNGS:

Yes,

WR. STITMB^RG': Now even if this room in Question
contained three or four thousand cubic feet, it ".-ould only
raise the figure a hundred or two \zhGn you take the whole
average and then take 85/' of it, so that the only ^point that
I'm really concerned about h^re is this, that when we
originally appeared befo:-e this Board - T think it was a
little over two months af.o - I appreciate the Interest of

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�the Board in wanting t o have a l l the facta at hand before
i t conies t o a decision on t h i s m a t t e r , but we also a r e faced
with an unfortunate s i t u a t i o n h^re where we hannen t o have
a contract with c e r t a i n p a r t i e s t o s e l l them t h i s house
which comes up a t a d e f i n i t e date; and although I don ! t want
t o appear impatient or suggest t h a t a l l a v a i l a b l e information
shouldn't be before the Board, X would .lust a p p r e c i a t e i t
i f you took t h a t ^act i n t o consideration*

I think the date

fixed for the delivery of t i t l e in t h i s p a r t i c u l a r house.
I believe i s th^ 1st of June, which'is now a date somewhat
le3s than s i x weeks away; so t h a t i f some d r a s t i c changes
should have t o be made 5.n t h i s house, somebody would be in
nuite an embarrasing and d i f f i c u l t p o s i t i o n .

I t would un-

doubtedly be us •
MR. CUMMIMGS: No ouest*on about i t .

Has the Board

any further comments or Questions?
f:!R. ST~VARD:
ouestion.

I would l i £ e t o ask Mr, "Lamont one

Tn the other hom^s up t h e r e t h a t you've constructed

have yon computed s i m i l a r space as a p a r t of your acceptable
cube?
MR. LAMONT: Yes, s i r - every c a s e .

The point

1%6 l i k e t o b r i n g out i s t h a t the "difference could be from
one a r c h i t e c t or engineer t o a n o t h e r , j u s t a question of
mathematical computations.
3 ?

Does he use point tv?o or point

The basic w-thod of cube computation i s laid cloven

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�in hand book a f t e r hand book,

Now if someone should decide

he wanted t o be the kind of an expert to say Trm #oin&lt;* t o be
d i f f e r e n t than the r~st of the -.vorld, he would n a t u r a l l y
come up with somewhat of a completely d i f f e r e n t

figure,

but I c a n ' t repeat t h i s too often, that the method I use
and Cooley uses and Johnson us«s and the Buildi np, Department
use8, are a l l in agreement.

That's why I shudder when I

think in terms of waiting for sane one t o come back in t h i r t y
days or so with a house closing perhaps within s i x weeks,
and I have d e l i b e r a t e l y slov/ed down a l l through the winter
months doing as l i t t l e work as I possibly could, without
losing my t r a d e s to produce the house slowly awaiting the
decision of t h i s Board,

I ' v e s t i l l got l o t s of vo rk ahead

of m&lt;* to complete; the s h e l l erected T.vhi ch i s the simplest
p a r t of the house and the i n t e r i o r

f i n i s h i n g s are the p a r t s

t h a t count•
MR. H^ATH: May I say something?
take issue with Mr, Lam on t .
would l i k e to say one tVdn.e;.

I don't want t o

I l i k e to be n e u t r a l , but I
v

hcm we o r i g i n a l l y s t a r t e d

h/win^ thes» hous°s oub^d, ^ r , Coolev would use a d i f f e r e n t
method which he said w&amp;3 in accordance with a r c h i t e c t u r a l
s t a n d a r d s , a permissible method under a r c h i t e c t u r a l s t a n d a r d s ,
and t h a t was not to do'unt the floor c o n s t r u c t i o n , t o count
the upr&gt;er top of the c^llinq; c o n s t r u c t i o n , but now I'm not
sure which i t -.vas» You'didn't count both the cei liner

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�c o n s t r u c t i o n and the f l o o r c o n s t r u c t i o n .

Do you follov; what

I ' m saying?
WR. CtJiWlTGS:
MR. H^ATH:

Yes.

The v/ay Mr. Cooley now does it,

ho counts both5 and he does it uniformly for the existing
houses and the new houses* How when he started out, he had
an entirely different set of fip;ures for the existing houses,
and also he computed new houses on that basis, and I think
that my understanding from him is that either method is
permissible under architectural standards.
MR. CUMINGS:

Mr. %?ngaro?

MR. ZTMGA170: Mr, Chairman. I think the determination
as to the exact cubeap;e of the Millar house would be important
because assuming the Millar house contains six thousand more
cubic feet than it actually does on the corrected calculation;
then it v/ould brin.p; the present house under the cubic footage
needed to build because of the houses within the area, within
the immediate radius of 400 feet. It would brine* that house
below the like aitiount of cub°.

I think it is v^ry important.

MR. CUM..TNGS: That will be determined mathematically
viien the information is available, whbh Y/e hope to get very
shortly.

Any more questions or comment3?
( Ko answer )
MR. CTHnl^GS: The Board will adjourn the meeting

no?; publ?cly and we * 11 ^o into an Executive session. 'Thank

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�you gentlemen for appearing t o n i g h t .

-*'e w i l l get In touch

with you very s h o r t l y ,
j»^

Certified to be a true and correct transcript of minutes of
the hearing in the matter of

complaint of !• M, Greller

against Evergreen Manor, Inc.

J^L£

a Rico, C.S."&lt;R7

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Mortli Tarry town, N.Y.
June 22 3 1935
A special meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals of the Village
of North Tarrytown x-ma held on the above date,
Present

Nell Gollogly, Chairman
John Kowalski
Stephen Benedict
David Page
Patrick J* Powers, jr.
Counsel
John Scribano, Act. Bldg, Xnsp.

n Absent

Rutherford Stinard

Chairman Gollogly called the meeting to order at 8:10 P.M.
and stated that the purpose of the meeting was to discuss and study
resoning of property east of the aqueduct which was referred to the
Zoning Board of Appeals by the Board of Trustees.
At this time. Chairman Gollogly welcomed two new members to the
Zoning Board, Messrs, Bene&amp;ict and Kcwalski and also expressed
sympathy to the family of Mr. James Fitspatrick who passed away on
June 21.
A lengthy discussion then followed regarding re&amp;oning the
property east of the aqueduct and the majority of the members present
were, in favor of the following:
1. Single family duelling
2. 10 ft. side lines, 30 ft, setback
3. Building lots 75 ft. in front, 100 ft. deep
4. Other requirements the sarue as Residence A District.
It was agreed to hold a Public Hearing on June 30 5 1955- at
8 P.M., to obtain the sentiment of the public.
There being no further business so come before the meeting
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the same was duly adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,

AC^T^L^.K^L^

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Filoraena Fallacaro
Clerk.

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June 28, 1955

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M.Y.

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A Public Hearing was held before the Zoning Board of Appeals
of the Village of Horth Tarrytown with regard to the resoning of
propertv east of the aqueduct on the a-^ove date.
Kafcl Collogly, Chairman
John Kowalski
David Page

Present

'Patrick j\ Powers5 Jr., Counsel
John Scribano, Aet, Bldg.Xnsp.
Ahsent

Stephen Benedict
Eutkerford Stinard

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Chairman Gollogly called the meeting to order at 8&amp;1G P.M. and
read the notice of hearing.
Mr, Morris Slifkin. attorney for Mr. Robert Green9 "expressed the
vies? that the proposed net? soiling *7cu?.d create a hardship on the owner
as the terrain and rock excavation for one family dwellings would foe
impractical and costly.
Mr. Slifkin also stated tlist the srea which is already built \ip
be let alone and apply the rescuing ordinance to the property "sliich
is undeveloped.
Mr. Robert Green inquired what benefit will'resoning be to the
owxitro in that area. Mortis Tarry town is badly in need of cudLtiple
v
"dweli"ing houses5 esid Mr- Green.
Counsel Powers stated that several residents thought it would be
a residential aree..
Other residents end owners of property affected by th&amp; rescuing9
£fe&amp;&amp;rs. Saulins John Biros (appearing in behalf of M s i3other)"M.J.
Levy, Edward Conl^n^ Robert Green* Runso., Robert Ford," yo5.cedv:the±r
disapproval on properties now vsssnfc/fmich' they hope to build scon
and rer-onliig at this time would seriously affect the future.
ApproKitnately twenty-residents appeared at this taseting and no
one voiced approval on the proposed change in sening £S suggestede
Chsirzsan Gollogly stated that preliminary meetings *illl be held
by the Zoning Board ."before a recoo&amp;endation is siade tc £k&amp; Beard of
Truatees.
After r&gt; di3enssion-s Mr. Pege sieved, seconded by Mr. K-sx^elski
that the hearing be adjourned.
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                    <text>KQRTH TMSmTvIN, N,Y.
July 1, 1955

A special meeting of the Soiling Board of Appeals of the
Village of North Tarrytomi was held on the above date.
Present

Hell Gollogly. Chairman
David Page
John Kowalski

«)&amp;gggJ!L_

Rutherford Stinard
Stephen Benedict

Chairman GolXogly called the meeting to order at 5:30 P.M.
Engineers report had been received along m t h plans and
cubic measurements of all properties within 400 ft. radius of
iioisse tinder question on Evergreen Way, Sleepy Hollow Manor.
The plans and measurements were carefully studied and it was
unanimously agreed that the house under quest ion exceeded the cubic
measurssisnte required.
Acting.Building Inspector 9 John Scrihano was duly notified of
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fcleii Goilogly
Chairman
Subject: Greller vs

LaMonte

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NORTH TMRVTOWS, H,¥,
J u l y 7 5 1955

A special meeting of the 2ozii«g Board of Appeals of the Village
oi: North Tari'yto-vn was held on the above date.
Chairman Gollogly sailed the meeting to order and stated that
the purpose of. the meeting was to reach a final decision on the
subject -resoning of property east of the aqueduct.
Considering the result of the
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the members agreed to Inform the Board of Trustees that the question
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Neil Gollogly
Chairman

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July 28 5 1955

A special meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals of the
Village of North Tarryto^n was held on th© abcr/e date.
Present

Neil Gollogly5 Chairman
David Page
John Kowalski
Patrick J. Powers * JET,
Counoel
Gabriel P. Hayes, Mayor
Stephen Benedict
Rutherford Stioard

Chairman Gollogiy welcomed a large number of residents present
who had bean notified by letter that a farther discussion of the
resonitig of properties east of tiis aqueduct would bs the bysinego
of the evening.
lifter &amp; lengthy discussion in the opinion expressed by the
majority all net* buildings shcald be restricted to one family dwellings.
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Thers being so further business to cotmsbsfor© the meeting9
Mr. Fsge moved, seconded by Mr. Kossalskl that ths seme be duly
adjourned.
Neil Gollogiy
Chairman

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HOETH TABRYTOWN* N.Y.
October 26, 1955

£HSMSLiffil51!§.

A public hearing was held by tha Zoning Board of Appeals of
the Village of North TarrytGvrai, M.Y. 9 on the application of A, &amp; S,
Machine Tool Go, of Yonkers., Hew York, to operate a s&amp;scMne shop in
the Business District at 105 Cortlandt Street9 North Tarrytown, N*Y.
Fregent
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Weil Gollogly5 Chairman
John Kowalski
David Page
Stephen Benedict
Rutherford Sfcinard
Patrick J. Powers, Jr.
Counsel

Ghairmsn Heil Gollogly opened the meeting at 8:05 P.M. end
read the notice of application.
Mr. Arthur T. Gornick^ Attorney, representing the A. &amp; 8.
Machine and Tool Company5 informed the Zoning Board of the type of
business his client intended to conduct.
TIi© ox-yners explained in detail the particular work to ba
performed, number of people employed3 machines to be used, etc.
A. Sadofsky, representing American Czechoslovak Realty Co.ft
Cortl&amp;ndt Street9 North Tarrytovm, New York, spoke in favor of the
variance being granted.
Questioning followed by the Zoning Board members.
Rutherford Stinard xaoved the variance be granted and was
seconded by Stephen Benedict. Motion was carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 3:55 P.M.

Neil Gollogly
Ch&amp;irtsan

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Mr. A* Connlck, Esq.
4 Lookout Place
Ardsley, New York
Dear Mr. Connick:

•

Please be advised that the:Zoning Board of Appeals of
the Village o £ North Tarrytown has amended the variance
previously granted to your clients, A. &amp; S. Machine and Tool
Company to include the premises known as 101*105 Cortlandt
Street^ North Tarrytown, New York.
This variance, of course, extend* only to the existing
buildings on the premises, and the use for which the variance
is granted cannot be extended without the consent of the Zoning
Board of Appeals.
Very truly yours,

Filomens Fallacaro
Clark

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