https://sleepyhollow.localarchives.org/files/original/1f8472dd062fcd7077520048eed6a7f1.pdf 92d51299c2a876f20e7e4d84ac97704b PDF Text Text PLANNING BOARD hearing - July 24, 1985 Present: James Galgano, Presider Robert Ponzini, Attorney James Margotta, Building Inspector Raymond Dool Ray Windas Frank Rey John Biros Absent: Joseph Ruscigno Mr. Galgano opened the hearing at 8:30 p.m. Mr. Philip Wissel, attorney representing Edwin Jacobsen, spoke to the Board and pointed out the reasons for his client's request for a subdivision. Mr. Jacobsen wishes to subdivide his property in order to construct a house, however, there is a major problem in that the sewer and storm drain lines lie where they wish to build the house and they will have to be rerouted. New tile pipe will be used and the expense of rerouting these pipes will be born by the Jacobsens. The addition of a few manholes will be necessary to facilitate getting into these pipes. It was pointed out that there should not be any possibility of increased maintenance costs or future expense as a result of these changes to the Village of North Tarrytown. Plans of the property were submitted indicating the routing of new pipe. Mr. Windas questioned whether or not there is an easement on this property and Mr. Ponzini informed him that there is but it is not recorded. Mr. Biros said that easement lines meet the requirement as shown on the drawing. On a question from Mr. Ponzini, he was informed that the subdivided lot would be a buildable lot. The proposed building will in no way cover the proposed changes in utility lines; the structure would not be over the utility lines and according to Mr. Jacobsen, the house would not be closer to the pipes than 8*to 10'. Mr. A. A. Litt, attorney, spoke for the residents of the neighborhood who object to granting this subdivision. He advised the Board that they are very concerned about the health and safety of the residents and they feel very strongly that the subdivision should not be granted without a full study being made and an evaluation of the potential impact on the area. Mr. Litt pointed out that in order for a subdivision to be granted, the property must be useable without damage to other property in the area. «••• I �-2Mr. Litt presented a letter to the Board from Mr. M. Karamouz, an Assistant Professor at Polytechnic Institute; Mr. Karamouz has a doctorate in Civil Engineering and is a Licensed Professional Engineer. Mr. Karamouz was requested to observe the property in question and in his letter he made recommendations and suggestions regarding the rerouting of the water pipes in question, (letter attached) Mr. Litt pointed out that in Mr. Karamouz' letter it is stated that the underground stream passes under the proposed new subdivision near one or more of the proposed sanitary manholes which increases the possibility of contamination and the water flow near the manholes could cause water to get into the manhole. Mr. Litt also stated that the residents of the area want to have a complete study done of all ground water and the sewage system. Some feel that the sewer is close to capacity now and that there are problems at this time, i.e. water and sewage backup in their basements as well as flooding. They wish to have a professional engineer make a study of this property and assure them that it is safe to build on this lot. Residents believe the underground stream could be contaminated from the sewer and subdivision should not be granted until the problem is solved. Mr. Anthony Sarli, 33 Harwood Avenue, reminded the Board that several weeks ago he submitted an exhibit to the Village Clerk which referred to this application for subdivision. He also advised the Board that several residents interested in this subdivision could not attend this evening's meeting because they are away on vacation. Mr. Sarli pointed out that the Village had dug in the area in April but do not know the depth or slope of pipe at that location. He is very concerned with the odor that may come from the pipes, plus seepage and polution, and the possibility that there could be a rupture of pipe when new pipe is used with old pipe. He feels that an environmental impact study should be made before any consideration is given to this application. Several other area residents pointed out their concerns of contamination, flooding in yards and basements and the fact that the Village has had to pump out the line frequently; they feel there will be problems here in the future. �-3Mr. Wissel said that he feels residents are justified in their Wv concerns but should realize that Mr. Jacobsen will not do anything that will decrease the value of their property or his. The use of larger pipe (10" rather than 6") will be more efficient and Mr. Jacobsen assured those concerned that he has discussed the problem with professionals to be sure the rerouting of the pipe is done correctly. Mr. Jacobsen has had a professional engineer discuss the problem with Mr. Biros and has done everything reasonable to assure that the proposed work is done correctly and he requests that his application be granted. Mr. Marcel Goldenberg, 146 Hunter Avenue, stated that the Village should be careful and obtain the proper decision on this problem; make sure and have someone post a bond so that if anything goes wrong, someone will pay for it. Mrs. Edwin Jacobsen questioned how rerouting of the sewer lines and the use of better pipe could possibly be more damaging than what we have now. The Jacobsens feel they are helping their neighbors so that there will be no future problems. They are also concerned about rising construction costs which will result with delay in granting this subdivision. Mr. J. O'Leary, a new village resident who has been with Westchester County Department of Health for several years, suggested that with the Village consult/the Dept. of Health before any change is made in the route of the sewer lines. Mr. Wissel advised that the Dept. of Health will have to be consulted before any pipes are moved. He also advised that the Jacobsens have retained a professional to do a study and Mr. Biros confirmed that this is true and that it is being done properly. When Mr. John Carroll of Hunter Avenue expressed concern that a 10" pipe running into a 6" pipe could cause problems he was informed by Mr. Wissel that the 10" pipe will empty into a manhole, not into a 6" pipe. Mr. Litt said that the new pipe is not the question but the manholes are and that they have not been surveyed properly. There is substantial risk here and he advised the Board not to subdivide too hastily. �-4- • The question was raised that if an evaluation has been made by experts, residents would like the assurance that it has indeed been stl done. They also^1^ 2ftat if new pipe is better than that which has been there for years, will these new pipes put more strain on the old ones, thus causing more risk? On a motion by Frank Rey, seconded by Ray Windas,, the hearing was closed . BUSINESS MEETING Mr. Windas questioned if there is any objection to putting a house on the open lot and he was informed by Mr. Litt that no one had any objection to a house on this lot,if it will not cause any increased flooding or increased water problems. In response to several questions, Mr. Biros explained how the underground stream flows from the area into Fremont Pond and he explained further that the sanitary sewer is an 8" pipe which does not cause any problems. He further explained that the Village does routine maintenance on the sewer system. Mr. Margotta suggested that perhaps the elevation of some residents1 basement floors is too low thereby causing sewage backup. On a question from Mr. Sarli, Mr. Biros explained that the bacteria count in the water has never been tested. Mr. A. Paese, a Licensed Professional Engineer, retained by Mr. Edwin Jacobsen, will contact the Board of Health. The^Boara will provide Mr. Paese with a copy of the minutes of this hearing and request his reply to all questions before the next meeting on September 5. It was suggested that Mr. Paese contact Mr.MJ^aramouz (333 Jay Street, Brooklyn, N. Y. 11201) and discuss with him all aspects of this problem and come to a resolution. The Planning Board will consider obtaining the opinion of a third professional engineer, if necessary, if there is a difference of opinion between Mr. Paese and Mr. Karamouz. Mr. Windas suggested that a copy of the plans be sent to the Dept. of Health. Mr. Ponzini reiterated that regardless of delay, the Board must make the right decision. Meeting closed at 10 p.m. „ .,-,.. , . Respectfully submitted, Marie Timmings �M. Karamouz 333 Jay Street Brooklyn, NY 11201 ^ > A ^ July 24,1935 Village of North Tarrytown Members o-f the Planning Board: I am an Assistant Professor at Polytechnic Institute of New York at which I teach design and construction of sewer systems and a graduate course in Ground Water and Seepage. I have a Ph.D. in civil engineering from Purdue University and I am a Licensed Professional Engineer in New York State. I would like to share my observation concerning the proposed subdivision of Mr. Jackobson's property in Bellwood Ave. An uderground stream or water course has been observed five feet below ground surface on the property adjacent to Mr. Sar1i's Property in the east. The stream appears to be flowing in the direction of Sohn's Property at the northwest corner of Bellwood and Farrington Avenues. It probably passes under the proposed new lot arround the location of one or more of the proposed sanitary manholes. This increases the likelihood of the contamination of the stream particularly in case of any backup in the sewer line. T r. addition, the water flew arround the manholes could cause water to get into the manhole and if this happens then flooding of sewer system will be inevitable. In either case there could be serious problems for the residence of the area. I there-fore strongly recommend that the local authorities should look at this entire problem in detail. It should not be considered as amatter of simple subdivision with a 200 ft. sewer relocation. It may well have harmful effects on the other properties in the area. A detailed environmental impact study should be made of the entire sewer system and the drainage in the ares by a Licensed Professional Engineer. Only then, would it be possible to determine if there is any way to subdivide this property without danger to the heal tk and safety of others. Furthermore proper engineering practice is clearly opposed to locating public sewers and specially manholes on private properties. The Ten State Standards adopted by New York State cle.T.r ly takes this position. Inevitably, sewers and manholes on private properties are more difficult and expensive for the village to maintain. Even more important is the health hazard caused by direct exposure of the sewage through manholes in the p-ivate arerits used by homeowners and their children. �Certainly, a detailed d e s i g n study o-f the project should be made by a Licensed Profess ional Engineer including ground elevations, depth o-f soil c o v e r s , slop^o-f land, level of ground i-.ater, and location of underground stream. There may well be an alternative design which will fee less dangerous to neighbors such as locating the sewer lines in the street from Harwood Ave. around under Bellwood Ave. to Harrington Avenue. Si ncersly, Mohammad Karamouz, Ph.D, Licensed Professional Engineer �PLANNING BOARD hearing - July 24, 1985 Present: Absent: James Galgano, Presider Robert Ponzini, Attorney James Margotta, Building Inspector Raymond Dool Ray Windas Frank Rey John Biros Joseph Ruscigno Mr. Galgano opened the hearing at 8:00 p.m. and welcomed anyone present who wished to address the Board. Norman Sheer, attorney for Ellen Lehrman, presented an affidavit of payment of taxes to date and went on to inform the Board that there are two existing buildings on the property in question. One building is a 2% story, three-family dwelling with luncheonette on the first floor, the other is a one-family dwelling. Mr. Sheer said, we are proposing to divide the property into two parcels so that the one-family building will sit on one parcel and the 2% story building will sit on the other. The property at this time is non-conform- ing; it lacks area and setbacks. By rearrangement the property will be made conforming and side and rear yard areas will be in compliance with the ordinance. Mr. Sheer asked the Board if they had any questions and Mr. Galgano said they did not. Motion to close hearing was made by Raymond Dool and seconded by Ray Windas. Business meeting followed and James Margotta looked at the drawing and advised that he could find nothing out of order. Frank Rey made a motion to approve subdivision application which was seconded by Raymond Dool. Hearing closed on motion made by Ray Windas, seconded by Frank Rey at 8:10 p.m. Respectfully submitted,, Marie Timmings X �NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 1. The subdivision of the property as above described is an unlisted action pursuant to Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law and Part 617 of the Rules and Regulations promulgated thereunder, and will, in and of itself, not have a significant effect on the environment, so that no Environmental Impact Statement is required or need be filled therefor. 2. Nothing herein contained, however, shall be deemed to indicate or suggest that subsequent submissions for development of the property will not require the preparation and filing of Environmental Impact Statements. 3. This resolution is a Negative Declaration for the purposes of Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law, Local Law Environmental Quality Review Act for the Village of North Tarrytown, and will be kept on file at the Village Hall and be available for public examination. Carried. 2 t �Frank Rey moved, seconded by Raymond Pool and unanimously c a r r i e d t h a t t h e f o l l o w i n g r e s o l u t i o n be adopted as r e a d : WHEREAS, this Planning Board, on the application of Ellen Lahrman Name of Applicant ___, did on July,24, 1985 Date grant permission for a subdivision of their property located at 194 Beekman Avenue North Tarrytown, New York 10591 Section , , Block , Lot ; and 16 4 1 WHEREAS, the aforesaid subdivision permits the development of uses that are identical to those previously permitted, in that the action did not provide for any change of zone, or approval of site plan; and WHEREAS, the property contains no structure or area that is listed or eligible to be listed on the Federal Register of Historic Places or designated by the local Historic Architectural Review Board as an historic landmark or district and the said subdivision complies with all regional, state and local land use plans; � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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