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                  <text>Planning Board meeting - October 10, 1985
Present:

James Galgano, Presider
Robert Ponzini, Council
James Margotta, Building Inspector
Joseph Ruscigno
Frank Rey

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The October 10 Planning Board meeting opened at 8:10 p.m. The
purpose of this meeting was to make a decision regarding the
Jacobsen property on Harwood Avenue, corner of Bellwood Avenue.
Mr. Ponzini submitted to the Clerk a letter from Engineers and
Development Consultants Kellard &amp; Federico, dated October 7, 1985
as well as a Subdivision Map prepared by Charles Riley, Land
Surveyor, Profiles- Sanitary Sewer and Storm Drain prepared by
Charles Riley, and Utility Plan signed by Charles Riley and
utilities by A. G. Paese, N.Y.S.P.E.
Mr. Ponzini pointed out that this meeting was held to review data
and make a decision regarding the Jacobsen property and that the
Board would not open up the meeting to comments from residents.
He did ask, however, if Mr. A. Litt (attorney for residents who
object to Board granting a subdivision) wished to speak.
Mr. Litt advised that he would submit a copy of his statements to
the Clerk.
Mr. Litt advised the Board that he did not feel the
report from Kellard &amp; Federico completely covered the situation of
ground water, flooding, and pollution and he requests an engineering study to locate underground stream and study pollution. Mr.
Litt stated that his client deserves full protection. Residents
of the area do not wish to accept Mr. A. G. Paese"s word that conditions are satisfactory and that the Village should not accept
this until test data is approved.
Mr. Litt expressed his feeling
that if the Board grants approval, the Village will have to accept
the consequences and the residents will be left with the problems.
Mr. Ponzini advised that Kellard &amp; Federico were invited to this
meeting, however, were unable to make it; that they received the
complete file- including information from Mr. Paese and Mr. Karamouzto study and that they did not respond to everything. Mr. Ponzini
will get in touch with them again.
Mr. Rey mentioned that the Kellard &amp; Federico letter did not mention
undergound stream and high water in the area but feels that this cannot be checked unless construction is underway. The responsibility
lies with the Jacobsens that construction is done according to specifications. Mr. Rey also feels that the Village has responded to
everything required in this situation.
Mr. Ruscigno made a motion that the proposal is the proper solution
for relocation of the utilities in question subject to the proper
on-site inspection and testing. Mr. Rey seconded this motion. All
in favor.

�Mr. Ponzini stated that the Village Water Department can inspect
this construction as it proceeds and that the Village should
employ a professional engineer to come in and look at the construction also. It was his recommendation that in addition to
the Water Department, we should have another engineer inspect
Mr. Paese's work to be sure that it is done properly.
Mr. Litt feels this should be incorporated with the plan.
Mr. Rey made a motion that we submit a Resolution to the Board
of Trustees expressing our concerns since John Biros is retiring
and that we recommend that the Village hire a consultant;
that test data be submitted on the sewer system and that no
action be taken regarding construction until a professional
engineer checks it. Mr. Ruscigno seconded this motion and all
voted in favor.
Mr. Ponzini stated that Mr. Jacobsen must obtain County approval.
at 8:35 p.m.
Mr. Ruscigno made a motion/to adjourn; motion seconded by Mr. Rey
Respectfully submitted,

Marie Timmings

�Mr. Joseph Ruscigno

moved, seconded by Mr. Frank Rey

and unanimously carried that the following resolution be adopted
as read:
WHEREAS, this Planning Board, on the application of
Edwin Jacobsen
Name of Applicant

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October 10 , 1985
Date

grant permission for a subdivision of their property
located at

Section Jttf , Sheet

35

Harwood Avenue

, Block 8

i Lot -irir ; and /U

WHEREAS, the aforesaid subdivision permits the
development of uses that are identical to those previously permitted, in that the action did not provide
for any change of zone, or approval of site plan;

and

WHEREAS, the property contains no structure or
area that is listed or eligible to be listed on the
Federal Register of Historic Places or designated by
the local Historic Architectural Review Board as an
historic landmark or district and the said subdivision
complies with all regional, state and local land use
plans;

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�NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
1.

The subdivision of the property as above

described is an unlisted action pursuant to Article
8 of the Environmental Conservation Law and Part 617
of the Rules and Regulations promulgated thereunder,
and will, in and of itself, not have a significant
effect on the environment, so that no Environmental
Impact Statement is required or need be filled
therefor.
2.

Nothing herein contained, however, shall

be deemed to indicate or suggest that subsequent
submissions for development of the property will
not require the preparation and filing of Environmental Impact Statements.
3.

This resolution is a Negative Declaration

for the purposes of Article 8 of the Environmental
Conservation Law, Local Law Environmental Quality
Review Act for the Village of North Tarrytown, and
will be kept on file at the Village Hall and be
available for public examination.

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Kellard &amp;
Federico
October 7, 1985
Walsh, Maroney &amp; ponzini
14 North Broadway
Tarrytown, New York 10591
Attention:

Mr. Robert Ponzini

Re:

Proposed Subdivision - Edwin Jacobsen
Sanitary Sewer and Storm Drain Relocations
Between Harwood Avenue and Farrington Avenue
North Tarrytown, New York

Dear Mr. Ponzini:
As per your request, we have reviewed the proposed relocation
of the existing sanitary sewer and storm drain for the referenced subdivision.
Our review was based on field inspections and review of the
following documents:
1.

Planning Board minutes dated July 24, 1985.

2.

"Utility Plan" Prepared by A.G. Paese, P.E. dated last
revision August 12, 1985.

3.

"Subdivision Map prepared for Edwin Jacobsen" prepared
by Charles Riley, L.S. dated July 10, 1985.

Our comments are as follows:
1.

The proposed relocation is apparently required in order
to construct a residence on the proposed Lot B as shown
on the map entitled "Subdivision Map Prepared for Edwin
Jacobsen" dated July 10, 1985. We must assume the proposed
relocation will physically permit this construction in conformance with the Village of North Tarrytown Zoning Ordinance.

2.

The practice of placing utilities within easements on private
property is a fairly common practice in the Westchester
County area. This practice is usually due to topography as
well as economic considerations when designing a sewer system.
Evidence of such proceedures is noted in the countywide
sanitary sewer systems recently constructed under the federally
funded Pure Waters Act.

engineers and
development consultants

(914) 241-1414

359 Main St
Mt Kisco N.Y 10549

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Walsh, Maroney &amp; Ponzini
October 7, 1985
Regarding this particular situation, the concern seems
irrelevant due to the fact that the existing sanitary sewer
has existed on private property for many years and therefore,
the relocation as proposed should not adversely affect Mr.
Jacobsen's property or the abuting neighbors. The sewer as
proposed conforms to the same size piping that exists with
the present system.
3.

We have found through our past experience in the Westchester
County area that, if in fact groundwater is encountered,
it is not an uncommon occurrence.
Should high groundwater conditions exist in this area, the
Westchester County Health Department, as the reviewing and
approving agency, requires that the following procedures
be followed in order to assure that a properly functioning
sanitary sewer is constructed.
a)

The Westchester County Department of Health, as a condition of their approval, requires that during construction a licensed professional engineer must supervise the
construction to assure that proper procedures are followed
and that the construction is in accordance with the
approved plans.

b)

The Westchester County Health Department requires that
all newly constructed sanitary sewers must be tested for
exfiltration and/or infiltration in areas of high groundwater. Therefore, should groundwater be encountered,
the licensed professional engineer should verify that
the system is watertight. The licensed professional
engineer must also certify that the proposed system
meets Westchester County testing requirements. This
testing procedure will further insure a properly constructed and functioning sanitary sewer system.
We suggest that the Village of North Tarrytown not accept
the new sanitary sewer system until such time as the test
data has been submitted and found to meet the requirements of the Westchester County Health Department.

4.

Surface water flow is shown on the U.S. Geological Survey,
Tarrytown Quadrangle. The topography in this area forms a
swale from Harwood Avenue flowing north to Farrington Avenue.
It appears that this condition resulted in the storm drain
being installed through the Jacobsen property in order to
convey surface drainage from Harwood avenue north to Farrington Avenue.
The topography as indicated should alert the builder to consider the possibility of subsurface drainage to be used for
the proposed residence.

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Walsh, Maroney &amp; Ponzini
October 7, 1985

If in fact groundwater flow is found during construction,
standard construction procedures to direct groundwater flow
around the proposed residence will be required.
Due to the fact that the storm drainage system is adjacent
to the proposed residence, it would not appear to be difficult
to divert these flows.
In conclusion, through our review of the proposed relocation of
existing sanitary sewer and storm drain, we believe that the
proposal is a proper solution for relocation of both utilities.
It goes without question that the on-site inspection and testing
must be adhered to in order to assure a proper installation.

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Should there be any additional questions, we would be most pleased
to offer further assistance in the project's review.
Sincerely your

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Kellard &amp; Federico

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�ALLEN, LITT &amp; HULNICK
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
5 4 MAIN STREET
TARRYTOWN. NEW YORK 1 0 5 9 1
ERNEST G.ALLEN
ARTHUR A. LITT

(914)631-7768

DONALD HULNICK
DEAN STEVEN TRAVALINO

October 17, 1985

Planning Board
Village of North Tarrytown
Village Hall
North Tarrytown, New York 10591
re:

Jacobsen Subdivision

Gentlemen:
We represent a large number of residents of Philipse Manor in the
Harwood-Farrington-Hunter Avenue area, many of whom appeared at the
public hearing of this matter on July 24, 1985.
Over the years, they have had problems with the drainage and sewer
systems of the area, and they have serious concerns about the potential
impact of the Jacobsen Subdivision on these problems.
They have good reason to believe that there is an underground stream
crossing the Jacobsen property from southeast to northwest.
They have good reason to believe that this stream feeds into the open
stream between Farrington and Hunter Avenues.
They know that there has been pollution of the open stream.
They know that there has been downstream flooding.
They have personal experience with the overtaxing of the existing
sewer system.
They came to the Village with these concerns because they are residents
and taxpayers of the Village, and they feel that they and their
families are entitled to the assistance and protection of the Village
government.
They asked that the underground stream be definitely located.
They asked that the question of possible pollution from the relocated
sewer system and manholes be studied factually and in detail.

�ALLEN, LITT &amp; HULNICK

Planning Board
Village of North Tarrytown

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October 17, 1985

They asked that the question of overloading the down-stream sewer
line be studied and analyzed.
They want, and they feel that they are entitled to, full and complete
protection and reassurance after full investigation and field testing.
What the Village has given them is this report from Kellard and
Federico which gives them nothing.
First of all, the list of documents on which the report is based does
not even include Dr. Karamouz' report.
Second, there was no field work, no attempt to actually get any data
about anything.
There is no mention at all of the sewer overloading problem.
They talk about "groundwater" as if it were simply a question of the
water table, when actually we're speaking of a stream underground,
with a definite directional flow.
All the residents get from this report is a suggestion that, if
there's any groundwater, Mr. Paese will sign a certificate that
everything's all right. They are not satisfied to accept the certificate nor the supervision of Mr. Jacobsen's engineer. This is no
assurance at all.
Similarly, the suggestion that the Village not "accept" the work
until the test data has been approved is absurd. A new section is
being inserted into the middle of a sewer trunk line. Once it is
installed, the Village cannot avoid taking it and using it. If the
Board grants approval tonight, and if any problems ensue, either the
Village will have to bear the consequences, or else the Village will
do nothing and the residents will bear the consequences.
We repeat — this report gives my clients absolutely nothing of the
assurance and protection they asked for. They want a field investigation to determine the location, size, flow and direction of the
underground stream. They want a complete investigation of the
downstream sewer problems. They want some better protection against
pollution than a certificate by Mr. Jacobsen's engineer.
If and when anything is done here, my clients want to know what tests
are going to be made to assure their safety and property, who is
going to supervise the work, and who is going to supervise the
testing.

�ALLEN, LITT &amp; HULNICK

Planning Board
Village of North Tarrytown

October 17, 1985

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That is my clients1 position. They believe the Village is defaulting
on its responsibilities if it refuses to carry out actual field
investigations and the collection of factual data before allowing
this subdivision to proceed.
Very

Arthur A. Litt
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�VIILAGE OF NORTH TABRYTOWN, NEW YORK
28 BEEKMAN A V E N U E
PHILIP E. ZEGARELLI. MAYOR
J A M E S J . T I M M I N G S . CHAIRMAN
MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET

JAMES J. TIMMINOS
DEPUTY MAYOR

tANK M A N G I E R ) . J R . , CHAIRMAN
GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS

M I S S F I L O M E N A PALLACARO
VILLAGE CLERK

STEVE S A L M A N , CHAIRMAN
PUBLIC WORKS

MRS. IRENE AMATO
VILLAGE TREASURER

S U S A N J . Q A L G A N O . CHAIRMAN
RECREATION AND HUMAN RESOURCES

ROBERT J . P O N Z I N I
VILLAGE COUNSEL

P H I L I P E. BLECKER. CHAIRMAN
ADMINISTRATION
A L L E N T. W I L L I A M S . CHAIRMAN
PUBLIC SAFETY

INCORPORATED 1S74

22 October 1985

Allen, Litt &amp; Hulnick
54 Main Street
Tarrytown, N.Y.
Attention:

Arthur Litt, Esq.
Re: Jacobsen Subdivision

Dear Mr. litt:
I have had an opportunity to review your letter of October 17, 1985.
I will not go into gr^at length except to disagree with your conclusion.
I believe the record is clear that the Village has acted in a thorough,
competent and professional fashion in protecting the rights of all parties
involved.
Additionally, I am enclosing a copy of a letter dated October 22, 1985
from Robert G. Wasp, B\E., of the Westchester County Department of Health,
believe that when you review the comments of Mr. Wasp, together with the
precautions implemented by the Village of North Tarrytown, you will agree
that the Village has tiaken a very conservative and cautious approach in the
granting of the Jacobsen subdivision. I would ask that you share this and
the enclosure letter with your clients.
Very truly yours,

Robert J. Ponzini
Village Attorney

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Enc.
cc: Planning Board
Mayor &amp; Board of trustees

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�DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
ANITA S. CURRAN, M.D., M.P.H.
Commissioner

Mayor and Village Board
Village of No. Tarrytown
Village Hall, 28 Beekman Ave.
No. Tarrytown, N.Y. 10691
RE: Approval of Plans for
a Sewer Reconstruction
Ed Jacobsen
No. Tarrytown
Gentlemen:
This approval of plans is issued under provisions of Article 17 of the
Environmental Conservation Law and 6NYCRR 652, and is issued for plans consisting of two sheets prepared by A.G. Paese,P.E.and dated Aug. 21, 1985.
The project is located in the Village of No. Tarrytown. This letter of
approval of plans and a set of the approved plans should be filed in the
appropriate office of the Village of No. Tarrytown.
By initiating construction of the project covered by this approval of plans,
the applicant accepts and agrees to abide by and conform to the following:
1.

THAT this approval letter shall be maintained on file by the applicant.

2.

THAT the approval is revocable or subject to modification or change
pursuant to Article 17 of the Environmental Conservation Law.

3.

THAT the facilities shall be fully constructed and completed in compliance with the engineering report, plans, and specifications as
approved.

4.

THAT the construction of the facilities shall be under the supervision
of a person or firm qualified to practice professional engineering in
the State of New York under the Education Law of the State of New York,
which supervision is the responsibility of the applicant.

5.

THAT the professional engineer supervising such construction shall
certify to the Department in writing, and to the applicant that the
constructed facilities have been under his supervision and that the
works have been fully completed in accordance with the approved
engineering reports, plans, specifications and approval of plans.

County Office Building 2

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150 Grand Street, White Plains, New York 10601

�6.

THAT the certification of construction, including acceptable results of
leakage testing of the completed work, shall be forwarded to the Bureau
of Environmental Quality Oontrol of the Westchester County Department
of Health after completion of construction and at least within thirty
days therof.

7.

THAT the facilities shall not be placed in operation until construction
has been completed and the department has accepted in writing, the
certification of construction and results of leakage testing.

8.

THAT the construction of the facilities shall commence on or about
Sept. 1, 1985 and be fully completed by Sept. 1, 1990.

9.

TOAT the leakage outward or the infiltration shall not exceed one
hundred (100) gallons per inch of sewer pipe diameter per mile per day
for any section of the sewerage system and manholes.

This approval of plans is issued for the relocation of approximately 179
lineal feet of 10 inch sewer line with manholes and is issued for the State
Commissioner of Environmental Conservation.

truly yours.

Robert G. Wasp, P.E.
Acting Assisstant Coommissioher
Bureau of Environmental Quality
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cc: NYSDEC-White Plains
WCDEF
John Biros,
Gus Paese
Ed Delaney
File

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Ulestohestar County
ANDREW P. O'ROURKE
County Executive
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

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ANITA S. CURRAN, M.D.. M.P-H.
Commissioner

January 8, 1985
Agostino G. Paese, P.E
Consulting Engineer
1 Lakeville Drive
Ossining, New York 10562

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RE:

Sewer C e r t i f i c a t i o n
Jacobsen
North Tarry town (V)

Dear Mr. Paese:
This department hereby acknowledges the r e c e i p t of the leakage t e s t s
r e s u l t s , and the e n g i n e e r ' s c e r t i f i c a t i o n of c o n s t r u c t i o n compliance f o r the
above-captioned s a n i t a r y sewer e x t e n s i o n .
A review of the information submitted by you under l e t t e r dated December 2 1 ,
1985, i n d i c a t e s t h a t t h e s a n i t a r y sewer t e s t e d as i n d i c a t e d by t h e leakage
t e s t r e s u l t s submitted complies with the terms and c o n d i t i o n s of t h e
approval of plans i s s u e d by t h i s department.
Sincerely

c c : .HBuilding I n s p e c t o r
SCA
File

County Office Building 2 •

Daniel J . tfonahue, P . E .
Associate Engineer ( P u b l i c Health)
Bureau of Environmental Q u a l i t y

112 East Post Road. White Plains, New York 10601

�Anthony 6. Pi«arri,P.E.
Consulting Engineer
190 Locust Avenue
Peekskill.N.Y. 10566
(914) 739-6580

December 29f 1985
re: Jacobsen Sewer Relocation
Mr. Jim Margotta
Building Inspector
Village of North Tarrytown
28 Beekman Avenue
North Tarrytown, N.Y. 10691
Dear Mr. Margotta,
Enclosed please -find an invoice and voucher -for the
inspection of the above referenced project.
Please be advised that during the month of December,
1985, I made a total of six (6) inspections of the sewer and
drainage line relocations.
By copy of this letter, I am certifying to you that the
construction was done essentially according to the plans and
specifications on file in your office.

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